Well drich I followed the instructions of luke 11 before I was a atheist. I followed with sincerity and guess what I got? Nothing, I did it for months and got nothing. Intact I'm so confident in this result I challenge you to outline exactly what you think one must do and I will do it as openly as I can.

(December 19, 2013 at 8:53 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(December 19, 2013 at 1:35 am)Drich Wrote: Do you know one of these people? Out of everyone that had made this claim not one actually performed all three steps as outlined by luke 11.

Nailed it! "You didn't do it right," despite the fact he couldn't possibly know what was actually done.

Quote:Sincerity is not the key. Following the instructions outlined in luke 11 is the key.

One suspects that the "seek" part of this little ditty requires sincerity. Which is really beside the point anyway, since what I was saying is that you'd foist the blame for failure on the person and never once consider the alternative possibilities, which you did perfectly.

I did not say sincerity was not apart of the equasion. i said sincerity was not the key. the key is knocking. Yes one has to be sincere, but in the story what gets the man in bed up and willing to give the neighbor what he wants? It was the man's persistant knocking. Something no one i have spoken with has done.

One has to be willing to knock until he gets what he/she is seeking. Every one of you who says he has A/S/K has put a time limit on their efforts. I have been intentionally A/S/K'ing for 20 years and I still knock for more. Most of you believe growing up in the church and doing church stuff is the same thing, so when you do honestly ask or seek for a week or two and get nothing you believe there is no God.

What if your unbelief was apart of the answer to your prayer? In that God has to wipe away all of the religious non biblical crap we clutter our hearts with and then rebuild solid biblically based theology in us so we can see hear and interact with Him.. But the thing is, inorder to get from religious christianity to biblical Christianity one must see how religious christianity fails, and it is only through knocking that we can build the structure that we need to get to God. Because knocking will take that sincere heart and deliver it to the stablity needed to hear and work with the holy Spirit.

But when you Ask and seek but do not knock you only get 1/2 of the prayer answered. Your false understanding of God is taken away but you do not rebuild

So again the Key to A/S/K is the knocking not one's sincerity

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(December 19, 2013 at 10:03 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Well drich I followed the instructions of luke 11 before I was a atheist. I followed with sincerity and guess what I got? Nothing, I did it for months and got nothing. Intact I'm so confident in this result I challenge you to outline exactly what you think one must do and I will do it as openly as I can.

no you didn't, see the post above.

If you say you 'A/S/Ked' (past tense) you did not A/S/K as outlined by luke 11.

I have been A/S/King for 20+ years and will continue to do so the rest of my life.

(December 19, 2013 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote: You do know in Mark 16 where this passage is found, Jesus is speaking to just 11 people right?

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

No where in this passage Does Christ say "to all that believe will be able to do these things." That is what you are implying this passage says.

Is english your first language?

Oh, and how was church last sunday?

If the teaching of Christ was only meant for the disciples, you don't qualify to be a Christian. What jerking off are you doing here quoting the Bible and pretending to be a Christian, if the words of Jesus were only addressed to his disciples and them alone, and only them can believe? According to your logic, if you're not one of the 11 people Jesus spoke to, you don't believe.

Why do you not believe in Jesus Christ? Still waiting for proof.

So Drich, essentially your entire A/S/K thing is fueled by confirmation bias, then?

It's such a disgustingly transparent lie: the moment you give up, the moment the failure state of A/S/K causes you to stop believing it, you just take that as evidence that the A/S/Ker was doing it incorrectly? You can't see what's wrong with that?

(December 19, 2013 at 10:51 am)Ksa Wrote:

(December 19, 2013 at 9:51 am)Drich Wrote: You do know in Mark 16 where this passage is found, Jesus is speaking to just 11 people right?

14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

No where in this passage Does Christ say "to all that believe will be able to do these things." That is what you are implying this passage says.

Is english your first language?

Oh, and how was church last sunday?

If the teaching of Christ was only meant for the disciples, you don't qualify to be a Christian. What jerking off are you doing here quoting the Bible and pretending to be a Christian, if the words of Jesus were only addressed to his disciples and them alone, and only them can believe? According to your logic, if you're not one of the 11 people Jesus spoke to, you don't believe.

Why do you not believe in Jesus Christ? Still waiting for proof.

I asked you two questions. they need to be answered before i answer any more questions from you.

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(December 19, 2013 at 10:58 am)Esquilax Wrote: So Drich, essentially your entire A/S/K thing is fueled by confirmation bias, then?

It's such a disgustingly transparent lie: the moment you give up, the moment the failure state of A/S/K causes you to stop believing it, you just take that as evidence that the A/S/Ker was doing it incorrectly? You can't see what's wrong with that?

Did you read my explaination for the reason we are to knock?

If your goal is to complete a 1000 peice puzzle and you work on it for 3 days, but do not finish, is the puzzle picture complete? "Do you see a problem with that?" Of course not, why? because you did not finish the puzzle no matter how many days you worked on it. what will it take to finish the picture? is there a certain amount of time all should be complete? no, it takes what it takes. some may get the picture sooner than others, but in the end if you quit before the puzzle is complete then your picture will be incomplete no matter how much time you worked on it.

Like wise how many day can one put on building a bridge between themselves and God? If you do not finish this bridge will you be able to cross it? no. When can one cross a bridge? When the gap is completely span. How long will this take? How big is the gap between you and God? The larger the gap the longer this process will take. So who can say he has spent enough time on their 'bridge' if the bridge is not complete?

Quote:Like wise how many day can one put on building a bridge between themselves and God? If you do not finish this bridge will you be able to cross it? no. When can one cross a bridge? When the gap is completely span. How long will this take? How big is the gap between you and God? The larger the gap the longer this process will take. So who can say he has spent enough time on their 'bridge' if the bridge is not complete?

Now I don't know about you good people but to me it seems I just read the perfect definition of a bridge to nowhere.

Q:Is English your first language?
A:English is my third language.

Q:Oh, and how was church last Sunday?
A:Didn't go.

(December 19, 2013 at 11:49 am)Ksa Wrote: Q:Is English your first language?
A:English is my third language.

Do you want me to explain where your understanding of english or basic theology seems to be failing you?

you keep asking questions that do not apply to christians. i am assuming it is because you misunderstand what you read. Or it could be you just do not have a basic understanding of Christianity in General. Would you like me to help you with one or both of your problems?

Quote:Qh, and how was church last Sunday?
Aidn't go.

you said if i could show you where Jesus claimed to be God, you would goto Chruch. I showed you where Jesus made that claim and the Jewish leaders tried to stone Him twice for his proclaimation. again He asks; “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

So again I ask why didn't you goto church? was your intention to deceive me?

It is you who doesn't understand the Bible. The correct answer would have been "like Jesus told Satan, "I will not tempt God"". Anything else but that and you fail. And you did fail.

Remember the answer in case someone else asks you, you might sound smarter then you are atm.

(December 19, 2013 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: Did you read my explaination for the reason we are to knock?

If your goal is to complete a 1000 peice puzzle and you work on it for 3 days, but do not finish, is the puzzle picture complete? "Do you see a problem with that?" Of course not, why? because you did not finish the puzzle no matter how many days you worked on it. what will it take to finish the picture? is there a certain amount of time all should be complete? no, it takes what it takes. some may get the picture sooner than others, but in the end if you quit before the puzzle is complete then your picture will be incomplete no matter how much time you worked on it.

Like wise how many day can one put on building a bridge between themselves and God? If you do not finish this bridge will you be able to cross it? no. When can one cross a bridge? When the gap is completely span. How long will this take? How big is the gap between you and God? The larger the gap the longer this process will take. So who can say he has spent enough time on their 'bridge' if the bridge is not complete?

That's what I said: the whole framing is conducive to never, ever failing. It's a dishonest tactic: if a person follows your lead and never gets there, their choices are either to stop, whereupon you have the excuse that they hadn't continued and therefore they were doing it wrong, or they keep doing it until they die, whereupon they're hardly likely to complain and damage your credibility, are they?

You've set up an entirely dishonest system here that has no failure state, whether or not it succeeds. It is, top to bottom, confirmation bias.