Poll for Christians: Are the End Times imminent?

[themonkeyman]

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How is it that a person who states his Religious view: Haven't a clue, becomes a Spiritual Gnostic Christian, very interesting. [/quote]

Actually its not that hard to be a Spiritual Gnostic Christian, It actually makes more sense when you realise that the book you are reading as a load of Junk and that it was made up with Political means. I believe that Jesus came here to teach enlightenment and to find truth, This is why I do not believe in the Bible.

I did not say all prophecy had been completed, I stated that most of the prophecies have been completed, most of what's left are about the very last days. Your correct that the end time prophecies are vague when it comes to time, however you have to remember Jesus said no one but the Father knows when He (Jesus) will return.

But where is your proof that Prophecy has been completed. Please give me examples of these Prophecies that are coherent and are directly to the point. I do not expect you to give me Apologetics I just want an answer that is clear as day.

I do not believe that Jesus is God he always shown subordination to the Father, in fact the Holy Spirit is what made Jesus divine – Nothing else. Jesus himself was nothing special the Holy Spirit was the entity doing all the work. Sure Jesus himself on the mount of olives asked to forfeit being nailed to a cross.

As I explained above Jesus said only the Father knows the time. Jesus said that the world would be like the days of Noah at the end. He said man would be lovers of himself, in other words selfish and if people believe man is less selfish today than 60 years ago the are deceiving themselves. God wasn't going to give the date at which Christ would return, the churches would be full of people who would be there out of fear and not because they wanted a relationship with Christ.

How does Jesus know the world will be like the days of Noah why did he not give us a direct to the point scene? The way you make it sound is that it was all hearsay – How can Jesus know the end if he actually doesn’t know the time? Actually this Generation is not much different than any other. 500 Years ago people were selfish Kings cared only for themselves and left others out same with the Religious elite. Also where do you get the view that people are selfish? Is it through the news because if it is you should know that the news is not an indication of the state of the world.

Of coarse, who else would it be, the name is the clue for the Israelites, God with us. yes I know the name does not appear in the NT, however Jesus does, prophecy complete.

Ok so instead of explaining how Immanuel vs Jesus are the same you just assume it because you don’t think it could be anyone else. What about Matthias? Was he not the son of a Virgin?

If your first sentence above is true then why Christ, why the writings of the NT. Christ's bride is the church, not a building, but the people who make up the church. Heaven is not achievable by death, some will be changed at Christ's return who are alive at the time. Faith in what Christ will do is why people will be in heaven. People today wouldn't be able to understand Christ's explanation of heaven, so why should He tell the disciples.

Ok here is something you need help with – The BIBLE is a book made by men with a political gain heck it’s been added to and edited for so many years so can you say it’s the inspired word of God when it needs re-translated?

I don’t think the Disciples needed to know because heaven was not for them or for Humans so why would we need to know?

You started out this post calling me a douche, so I think you must believe it, guess this question's answer is left to you. Now to the nation of Israel, it's the same area the Jews lived in over 2000 years ago, it is the same peoples, they can trace their linage back to the days long before Christ. If this isn't clear as to the meaning then you'll have to excuse me.

Actually I highly doubt that anyone can trace the Lineage back that far – Considering several Libraries for example in Alexandria were burned down as well as others in Rome I am sure there would be problematic gaps in the sequence of History. E.g. ever notice that Jesus has two Geneologies.

So what have I done to lead you to believe I'm badly tainted? I agree the church leaves a lot to be desired in some areas, we are people however and will make mistakes, why do you think we are indebted to Christ.

What have you done? You are on here being Antagonistic when I was a Christian all I met was people like you who thought they were right and everyone else was wrong. Unless I conformed to your version of God I was condemned. Jesus both shown miracles and taught spiritualism. The fact that people now a day are told to have Blind faith when Jesus did not expect that from Thomas then it stands to reason that I should ask that you drink Poison to prove weather or not you are a true Christian.

I wasn't trying to use "olde English," but let me state it another way, only those who are seen as righteous to God will be in heaven, does that appease your ire. This applied to those before Christ also.

This makes more sense so stop misleading people with outlandish claims.

Then you need to show me some scripture that states that very thing. You really believe those angels still believe what they did was better than living with God for eternity, I doubt it. In the NT many of those fallen angels were afraid of Jesus and what He could do to them, they sound like they knew they screwed up. Sin, ie. evil blinds many, even many angels, is it any wonder that God hates sin so much.

Actually we cannot know why the Angels did what we did, We probably never will – The fact that God created Lucifer as perfect raises questions about whether Lucifer being evil was also Perfect in that God allowed his perfectness to become Imperfect? If God is perfect then were does imperfection come from.

I'm not sure why you think this when the gospels are full of the reason Christ left heaven to become a sacrifice for mankind. Christ made it clear His death would bring forgiveness to those believed in Him. He said no one comes unto the Father except through Him. Christ said all that come to Him are called by the Father. Jesus told Thomas that he believed because he saw, then He said blessed are those who will believe by faith, not having Thomas kind of proof. So yes Christ life leads us to God the Father and His death brings us acceptance by God the Father. Without the forgiveness we would not be found righteous and the righteous will live with God for eternity.

The Synoptic Gospels there is only 3 of them lets cut the crap here – You are basing all your faith on what other people tell you to belive. You really should read more and search for truth. Read Gnostic Works / Read Apocrypha there is more teaching in those than there is in the Faulty Bible. Because at least Gnostic works have been left alone for 2,000 years so when we are reading them we are reading with largely non tampered documents.

That's a great part of Christianity, trying to walk in Jesus footsteps. the verse says whosoever believes in Him, that must by necessity include His death and resurrection. We can't pick and choose the parts of Jesus life we want to believe, it's an all or nothing deal.

Actually I believe that God cannot die so Jesus did not die for our sins – I believe that someone else took his place and that he dwelled within the person until the last moment. Why else would he say ‘Father why have you forsaken me?’

One last comment: If the Kingdom of God is inside us then where is it?