God says “Love me or die”

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While you may think that there are rational/logical observations that can be made...

There certainly are. Included in that logic is that it cannot be fully conclusive.

??? see now... that just doesn't make any sense. Reword statement?

you should note that "God" being able to create something from nothing defies logic

Please state irrefutably how.

The three rules of logic:
A=A <-- law of identity. To create something from nothing is to suggest that 0 + 0 > 0... which is to suggest that 0 is not itself... thus contradicting the law of identity.

A ≠ ≠ A <--- law of contradiction. A cannot be both A and not A at the same time. So you can't have by logic 0 + 0 > 0, as that would be suggesting that 0 is something other than itself and itself at the same time... thus contradicting the law of contradiction.

A must be either A or not A <---- law of the excluded middle. There is no position for a thing to be other than itself or not itself. If you can find a way for 0 + 0 > 0 with a position that 0 is either 0, or not 0: I would be amazed.

So you can't by logic have something that is A: not itself, B: both itself and not, or C: that is neither itself nor not.

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and observation is to suggest that "God" can be scientifically tested.

Do you mean that as it reads?[/quote]
Yes. Science is the practice of observing, making inferences and hypothesizing, testing, then starting at the beginning with the results and do it over and over again.

If a thing is observable... it means that a thing has already hit step one of the scientific method.

But I can understand how the rest is what you base your christianity on (fr0d0 probably does as well, as probably does a lot of Christians).

I don't base mine on subjective experience. To me that's an inconclusive bi-product.


...and Christians don't believe that God wrote the bible.. they believe he inspired it. Muslims believe it is the infallible word of Allah. It being possible or not is immaterial.

I actually do know a Christian who believes that "God" did write the bible... she happens to be my sister 0.o And then i've seen Christians suggest that the Bible is infallible. It being possible or not means a lot when talking about things that we cannot know anything about.