(February 22, 2010 at 4:35 am)Saerules Wrote:(February 22, 2010 at 4:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote:??? see now... that just doesn't make any sense. Reword statement?(February 22, 2010 at 2:42 am)Saerules Wrote: While you may think that there are rational/logical observations that can be made...
There certainly are. Included in that logic is that it cannot be fully conclusive.
Part of the logic for believing is that one cannot know absolutely that God 'is'. Faith is central.
(February 22, 2010 at 4:35 am)Saerules Wrote:fr0d0 Wrote:The three rules of logic:(February 22, 2010 at 2:42 am)Saerules Wrote: you should note that "God" being able to create something from nothing defies logic
Please state irrefutably how.
A=A <-- law of identity. To create something from nothing is to suggest that 0 + 0 > 0... which is to suggest that 0 is not itself... thus contradicting the law of identity.
A ≠ ≠ A <--- law of contradiction. A cannot be both A and not A at the same time. So you can't have by logic 0 + 0 > 0, as that would be suggesting that 0 is something other than itself and itself at the same time... thus contradicting the law of contradiction.
A must be either A or not A <---- law of the excluded middle. There is no position for a thing to be other than itself or not itself. If you can find a way for 0 + 0 > 0 with a position that 0 is either 0, or not 0: I would be amazed.
So you can't by logic have something that is A: not itself, B: both itself and not, or C: that is neither itself nor not.
Thankyou.
By the same rules this existence also couldn't have happened. So God simply follows the rules of this existence?
(February 22, 2010 at 4:35 am)Saerules Wrote:frodo Wrote:Yes. Science is the practice of observing, making inferences and hypothesizing, testing, then starting at the beginning with the results and do it over and over again.(February 22, 2010 at 2:42 am)Saerules Wrote: and observation is to suggest that "God" can be scientifically tested.
Do you mean that as it reads?
If a thing is observable... it means that a thing has already hit step one of the scientific method.
This doesn't hit step one of the scientific method... because the scientific method isn't compatible. ergo: God isn't scientifically observable.
(February 22, 2010 at 4:35 am)Saerules Wrote: I actually do know a Christian who believes that "God" did write the bible... she happens to be my sister 0.o And then i've seen Christians suggest that the Bible is infallible. It being possible or not means a lot when talking about things that we cannot know anything about.
No one said we cannot know anything about God. Just that we cannot know everything. It's clearly & widely accepted that humans authored the bible inspired by God. To state the God wrote it is a leap of logic. Some Christians do indeed believe it to be infallible. I think it's potentially infallible... ie it's perfect as I understand it but that isn't to say it cannot be improved. After all, a council in 400AD decided it's compilation and those again were only people making the decisions.