(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote: Again, if the 1,273rd (slight exaggeration) translation of the bible conveniently deviates the original text to your purpose, then how am I to argue with that?
We're talking accurate translation and the most accurate accepted currently. You have a vested interest in confusion and I appreciate that.
(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote:Quote:He isn't speaking about people who haven't heard but those who do nothing about their faith, specifically, in this instance.
Regardless, my point still stands whether it is someone spiritually dead due to inaction upon received knowledge of god or not.
What that your refusal to accept life should not result in death? Sounds like twisted logic to me
(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote:Quote:How can all of Gods' creations be perfect? Only God is perfect.
This is a bit of an oxymoron, eh? If god is perfect, then it would stand to reason that his creations are perfect. If his creations are imperfect, then it is a logical deduction that he would then be imperfect himself. That's quite a simple concept, actually. Besides that immutable fact, the majority of christians would contend that all of god's creations are perfect. The only imperfect creation of god's that christians generally allow for are humans and that is only because god created us as imperfect, you know, free will and all. Again, a farce.
Your theology is showing it's paucity again. That God would create everything less perfect than himself is perfectly consistent. God did not seek to create his equal.. another God. Do you know anything God like in this existence? Do you think that Christianity ever proposes multiples of the already tripartate Godhead?
Too soon you try to claim the farce card... before you are interested in an alternate opinion or can establish a logical point it seems. Interesting, and perhaps revealing don't you think?
(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote:Quote:Heaven is primarily referenced as a place on earth - for you and I right here & right now.
Citation needed. Where is it referenced as such.
You seem to think I just said there was only heaven on earth.
Mt 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.
Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Luke 17:21 the kingdom of God is within you
Mathew 6:10 on earth as it is in heaven
Heaven yes is a reference to perfection with God... the fullness of which might only be possible apart from potential error in this life. Still living this life fully involves living right. No where is that nailed more so that in the Christian message.
(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote:Quote:He does make it happen here. It's only your resistance to him that is preventing you from enjoying it.
If submission to him makes my mind numb to the senseless pain and suffering in this life, no thank you.
You would be a mindless drone following such oppression. I agree. However this is nothing like the subject you're trying to address. God offers unconditional love and all you have to do is stop refusing it to obtain the benefits of life. Quite the opposite to numbing your mind to senseless pain and suffering, this is the real McCoy. This isn't running away and hiding - this is facing it full on.
(February 22, 2010 at 5:52 pm)REPuckett Wrote:Quote:It would seem that you are quite far off in your basic understanding of the subject. The nature of good and evil isn't a prophesy but an observation of human nature.
Are we now completely disregarding the entire book of Revelations? If we are going to completely disregard large portions of the bible as they are intended in their literal sense, then I see no reason that this debate should continue at all.
The subject in hand - the inherent nature of human beings is dealt with in Genesis. No part of the bible is literal at all... and I wasn't aware I was addressing a literalist. I do apologise. But please don't feel obliged to reply on my behalf.