Quote:We're talking accurate translation....
Prove it. That simple.
Quote:What that your refusal to accept life should not result in death? Sounds like twisted logic to me
WTF are you talking about? The original point was that it would not make sense for Jesus to issue forth a directive to slay non-believers if they are already dead spiritually as you suggest it means. Again, in a literal sense, that would be like me telling someone to go and kill a dead person. Are we in circles on this one?
Quote:Your theology is showing it's paucity again. That God would create everything less perfect than himself is perfectly consistent. God did not seek to create his equal.. another God. Do you know anything God like in this existence? Do you think that Christianity ever proposes multiples of the already tripartate Godhead?
Listen, let me try to dumb this down a little more. Let's say that I am perfect being. Don't get crazy on me, it is a hypothetical. With my perfection I decide to, I don't know, bake a cake. Well, let's say this cake fails terribly and ends up being a charred brick. Well, I screwed up, right? That means that I must not be perfect! Again, that concept is one of the most simplistic concepts to grasp. If I were perfect, then everything I do should, in turn, be perfect. If it is not, then I'm not perfect. It;sa as simple as that. As to your second sentence about god's imperfect consistency, well, no argument here. That has, as I have seen it, been one of the few constant in the christian religion, consistency of imperfection. Do I know anything god-like in existence? No, not even god as he is non-existent. I think that's the crux of why we are here in this forum to begin with. Your last question is not even relevant to this issue.
Quote:You seem to think I just said there was only heaven on earth.
So there is more than one? You must tell me which bible you are getting this stuff from as you have piqued my interest. Besides, this post of yours.....
Quote:Heaven is primarily referenced as a place on earth - for you and I right here & right now.
......seems to suggest that you do think that "heaven is primarily a place on earth."
Quote:Mt 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.
What is this supposed to prove? This has nothing to with heaven being a place on earth as you previously suggested. Hey, I just got a flashback of that song. Was it Wilson-Phillips? lol
Quote:Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
*sigh* See above.
Quote:Luke 17:21 the kingdom of God is within you
Within you. Are you earth? I think you know what this one is referencing and it is not that heaven is primarily a place on earth.
Quote:Mathew 6:10 on earth as it is in heaven
....as it is in..... You know, another completely different place.
Quote:Heaven yes is a reference to perfection with God... the fullness of which might only be possible apart from potential error in this life. Still living this life fully involves living right. No where is that nailed more so that in the Christian message.
Potential error? Actually, this is going off the original topic of god's imperfection, I digress.
Quote:You would be a mindless drone following such oppression. I agree. However this is nothing like the subject you're trying to address. God offers unconditional love and all you have to do is stop refusing it to obtain the benefits of life. Quite the opposite to numbing your mind to senseless pain and suffering, this is the real McCoy. This isn't running away and hiding - this is facing it full on.
Benefits? What benefits? Real McCoy? As opposed to what I can see, touch, hear, smell and taste? Really?
Quote:The subject in hand - the inherent nature of human beings is dealt with in Genesis. No part of the bible is literal at all... and I wasn't aware I was addressing a literalist. I do apologise. But please don't feel obliged to reply on my behalf.
Well, most christians do present the bible as the literal word of god, so I tend to debate it literally. It seems to me that when a christian finally has an epiphany that something about the bible does not make sense, they tend to conveniently call it a metaphor, but only when it suits their argument because they can't support it logically. So, yes, I am a "literalist". I already had you pegged as a metaphorist. lol
