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Worst atheistic argument?
RE: Worst atheistic argument?
Tiberius Wrote:Atheism doesn't presuppose Naturalism.

Really?? Then how did everything get here? Come on, give me a supernatural explanation that doesn't invoke the ontological definition of God.
(February 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm)Darwinian Wrote: No, many atheists may presuppose these things but atheism itself is simply a lack of belief and nothing else.

It sounds like your confusing the word atheism with your personal experience of atheism.

Actually, most don't presuppose them, but only because they are not aware of them. My claim is not what an individual Atheist may or may not know with respect to the presuppositions, but what Atheism itself presupposes. No confusion here. If an Atheist thinks the belief God does not exist (or the "lack" of belief) has no bearing on the issues of Morality (ethic), Epistemology (theory of knowledge) and Metaphysics (the nature of reality) then he is ignorant, or intentionally distorting the problem to avoid rational debate.

Your "lack of belief" claim is standard fare, and a dishonest attempt to avoid having the discussion.
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Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 16, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 16, 2009 at 8:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 16, 2009 at 9:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - September 16, 2009 at 9:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 2:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Altar - February 22, 2010 at 10:26 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 12:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 4:09 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 12:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:39 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:47 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:50 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 18, 2009 at 11:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 10:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 7:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Purple Rabbit - February 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 10, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - February 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ace Otana - February 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 12:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 11, 2010 at 1:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by LEDO - February 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:11 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 12, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 6:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Welsh cake - February 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 24, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 24, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 9, 2010 at 5:48 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 8, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 8, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 9, 2010 at 4:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 9, 2010 at 3:28 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - March 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 12, 2010 at 9:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 9:49 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 1:51 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - March 14, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 14, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - March 14, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 14, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - March 16, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 17, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 10:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 17, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 17, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by libraryowl - March 26, 2010 at 9:02 am

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