(February 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm)objectivitees Wrote:Tiberius Wrote:Atheism doesn't presuppose Naturalism.
Really?? Then how did everything get here? Come on, give me a supernatural explanation that doesn't invoke the ontological definition of God.
(February 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm)Darwinian Wrote: No, many atheists may presuppose these things but atheism itself is simply a lack of belief and nothing else.
It sounds like your confusing the word atheism with your personal experience of atheism.
Actually, most don't presuppose them, but only because they are not aware of them. My claim is not what an individual Atheist may or may not know with respect to the presuppositions, but what Atheism itself presupposes. No confusion here. If an Atheist thinks the belief God does not exist (or the "lack" of belief) has no bearing on the issues of Morality (ethic), Epistemology (theory of knowledge) and Metaphysics (the nature of reality) then he is ignorant, or intentionally distorting the problem to avoid rational debate.
Your "lack of belief" claim is standard fare, and a dishonest attempt to avoid having the discussion.
I dont believe in a hell of a lot of things.
I would bet you dont believe in Thor, Zeus or invisible pink unicorns.
I dont believe in god for the same reason you dont believe in Thor, Zeus and IPUs and that is that were ALL made up.
Your atempt to equate religion with morality is sadly missguided, anyone who truly lived by the bibles laws would be locked up and deservedly so.
Most christians are nice people but that is DESPITE the bible and not because of it.
The same could be said of muslims, the ones who really read the Quaran are the ones that strap bombs to their backs before taking a bus ride.
Your attempt to lecture this group of atheists on the nature of reality is gonna be amusing, bring it on.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.


