(December 31, 2013 at 12:19 pm)whateverist Wrote:(December 31, 2013 at 12:13 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The 'Christ' claim about him is not true.
So long as the 'Christ' claim has anything to do with the God claim it is an incoherent idea until someone nails down precisely what a god is.
That's what I was referring to.
The 'Christ' claim for the Jesus character includes all the supernatural events and deeds attributed to him, including the 'son of god' idiocy.
A historical Jesus lends absolutely zero evidence for any of these supernatural claims about him.
There are many historians that believe there was an actual person that King Arthur was based on. But I'm sure no one here, including all the Christians, would say that provides any evidence that he pulled a magic sword out of a rock or hung out with a wizard.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
