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Worst atheistic argument?
RE: Worst atheistic argument?
(February 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm)objectivitees Wrote: Really?? Then how did everything get here? Come on, give me a supernatural explanation that doesn't invoke the ontological definition of God.
Hello Argument from personal incredulity... Goodbye Argument from personal incredulity...


objectivitees Wrote:Actually, most don't presuppose them, but only because they are not aware of them. My claim is not what an individual Atheist may or may not know with respect to the presuppositions, but what Atheism itself presupposes. No confusion here. If an Atheist thinks the belief God does not exist (or the "lack" of belief) has no bearing on the issues of Morality (ethic), Epistemology (theory of knowledge) and Metaphysics (the nature of reality) then he is ignorant, or intentionally distorting the problem to avoid rational debate.

Your "lack of belief" claim is standard fare, and a dishonest attempt to avoid having the discussion.
When dealing with extraordinary claims that fail to meet up to their requirement for extraordinary evidence, the default position is always disbelief, not belief. If you're standards of evidence are so appallingly low, you'll end up believing all kinds of nonsense with no justification or reason for it.

What if I were to say to you that the entire universe, reality itself, is nothing but the dream of the Invisible Pink Unicorn? Would you honestly allow that huge claim to pass through your evidence filter without proper investigation and rational discussion first?

Would you immediately accept the idea we're all part of her pinkness' subconscious, just like that?
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Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 16, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 16, 2009 at 8:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 16, 2009 at 9:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - September 16, 2009 at 9:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 2:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Altar - February 22, 2010 at 10:26 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 12:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 4:09 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 12:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:39 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:47 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:50 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 18, 2009 at 11:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 10:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 7:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Purple Rabbit - February 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 10, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - February 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ace Otana - February 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 12:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 11, 2010 at 1:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by LEDO - February 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:11 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 12, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 6:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Welsh cake - February 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 24, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 24, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 9, 2010 at 5:48 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 8, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 8, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 9, 2010 at 4:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 9, 2010 at 3:28 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - March 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 12, 2010 at 9:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 9:49 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 1:51 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - March 14, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 14, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - March 14, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 14, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - March 16, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 17, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 10:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 17, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 17, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by libraryowl - March 26, 2010 at 9:02 am

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