The Holodomor: Starvation of more than 6 million Ukrainians by Stalin

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Sorry, it isn't bullshit at all. I grew up and went to uni in Northern Ireland. In England, an Irish accent is enough to get you lousy service, or no service at all. When I bought my first home in Belfast, I had to go through a 'front', since the English owners had instructed the estate agent not to sell to taigs. I'm not a taig, but I have a typically Irish surname, and that was enough.
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You have just blown ALL credibility with me. I don;t believe that English people would care one way or another about whether you were Catholic or not. I grew up catholic and never once had a single adverse comment directed at me because of it. 'Taig' means Catholic NOT 'irish' which if you reallyw ere from N.I. you would be well aware of. 'Tim' is the same. I could quite beleive that a lunatic northern Irish Prod would do such a thing but yoru are talking out of your arse (or ass as you Irish-Americans say in Boston)

The Act of Union aside, Ireland and England have ALWAYS been different. Socially, linguistically and culturally, they are not the same place, despite whatever political fictions you subscribe to. If England had truly viewed Ireland as a part of the United Kingdom, they would have done a helluva lot more to keep a million people from starving to death.

they were politically the same place. try again

The UK had no legal right to prevent the movement of goods within the UK.

In your own word, 'Bullshit'. The UK could and can halt the movement of ANY goods at any time. Look it up.


Not without an act of parliament. Its not up to me to prove it -the onus is on you.

And the notion that England only had a legal say in what went on in Ireland from the Act of Union forward is, to say the least, farcical.

There is no 'England' politically


Of COURSE the landlords were Irish - who is saying otherwise?

Irish Americans like you are always harping on about how 'da bruddish' stole their grain

But the Plantation system and absenteeism doesn't excuse the callous indifference of the British government when they could have done something, but chose not to.

They couldn;t have legally closed the ports

and pretend the whole affair was deliberately engineered by 'Da Bruddish' as a genocide

I'm not claiming that. In fact, I said exactly the opposite. Furthermore, I'm not claiming that the Brits are brutes (although I have personal reasons for the claim, if I chose to make it) - in fact, I praised them for their reaction to an earlier famine.

(and forget of course ireland's appalling stance in World war II because national myth is always more important than real knowledge.

I'm not sure how neutrality is 'appalling', but OK. I do think Dev's condolences on the death of Hitler were, to say the least, ill-advised.

Queen victoria donated 10,000 pounds personally,

Check your facts. It was £2000.

the Chruch of England organised massive collections (the vatican sent nothing...of course but they prayed)

I agree with all of the above. Relief from the COE was helpful, the Vatican's response was dismal at best. The only way it could have been worse would have been if, instead of doing nothing, they had actually facilitated the starvation.

I suppose you reject the new history movement that is spreading in History departments in ireland that has grown up a lot in the past two decades and lo longer sees national myth as a sensible way of approaching history.

Nothing of the sort. I prefer facts to myth (I was educated as an historian, actually). But we're about even here - I'm rejecting myths and you're rejecting facts.

Oh and the source you need is found in the book Debunking history: 151 popular myths exploded Rayner, E. G. Stapley, R. F.
Stroud : Sutton 2002

Thank you. I'll look into it.

Boru