RE: Christians/Theists... why is it that ya'll think Harry Potter "bad"
January 10, 2014 at 2:38 pm
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2014 at 2:46 pm by Drich.)
(January 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Mr Greene Wrote:it depends on their motives. Are they doing it as a way to petition a demon or Spirit to help them get rid of their head ache?(January 10, 2014 at 12:51 pm)Drich Wrote: Sorcery is not about harry potter magic, it is about using things like herbs and chants to get a desired result, from something as small as getting rid of a head ache or giving someone a head ache to killing them or healing them. Sorcery is about seeking means of changing one's situation outside of God. It is seeking to by pass God in hopes to control or manage one's own life, through other 'powers.'
So someone chewing Willow bark to get relief from a headache is sorcery?
To put it another way sorcery is a way for a person to trade a 'favor' for a 'bit -o-magic' from a demon.
One man can chew the willow bark for the Salicin (the percursor of asprin) and another may do it to curry favor for some spirit or anti saint of fever and head aches... The act is the same, the determining factor is the heart and intention of the man doing the chewing.
(January 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm)JuliaL Wrote: I'm just trying to pin you down on what this 'sorcery' thing is that is being proscribed.It is a 'prayer' to a spirit or the devil/demon using tokins to curry favor.
Quote:Is it currently extant?Yes as it sorcery is not about the result but the act of petitioning.
Quote: Is it natural or supernatural or both.neither. It is a desire to obtain 'X' (whatever 'X' maybe) while bypassing God.
Quote:If it has extension into our reality, where is it?Think about that for a minute. If it is demonstraitable then the source of said power would be Demons and spirits, meaning you would indeed be giving up your soul.
I think JREF is willing to give you a $million if you can show it does.
If you won't collect the money, will you tell me how so I can? I'm willing to take the risk of condemning my immortal soul for a cool mil.
(January 10, 2014 at 2:37 pm)StoryBook Wrote:(January 10, 2014 at 2:08 pm)Drich Wrote: This is a Strawman arguement, your rebuttal does not repersent my position.
I said that Chants, and 'drugs' and the like were used as a means to bypass God, and appeal to spirits/demons.. Using drugs is not an automatic appeal to demons/spirits for help.
Make up your bloody mind and stop contradicting yourself.
Pain medications are drugs, some come from herbs if you want to be specific.
YOU said using such things is to get rid of something such as " the pain of a headache" is sorcery.
Ive said this 10 times now. It is not the drug, but why you take it. go back and reread what i have written to everyone if you want examples.
