(January 12, 2014 at 11:13 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 12, 2014 at 3:43 pm)(╯°◊°）╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: If God is omnipotent, then it is never necessary for him not to be omnibenevolent.why?
Omnipotence and omniscience makes necessity invalid. God can, literally, do anything he wants. If he wanted to be completely benevolent, he could be, and everything would still work precisely the way he wants it to. Your god has to make the conscious decision to be cruel and murderous, and the only logical explanation is a desire to see the results of such decisions.
Quote:Quote:Cruelties are only ever forgivable if they are strictly necessary. For God, none of his cruelties can be necessary.why?
See above.
Quote:who here has the authority to deem an act or happenstance cruel? Truly without omnipotence, who can say the suffering of a potion of the population or even of an individual is not without Merritt or does not serve the greater good?If your god has omni-qualities, then happenstance never enters the equation. Everything, even the most unlikely events, happens strictly according to his plans. After all, "the greater good" can be accomplished by any means when an omni-being is at work. Suffering cannot, by definition, be necessary given that. It is absolutely impossible.
Either God is not omnipotent and omniscient, and certain events are beyond his control, or he is and he either deliberately causes death and suffering intentionally or allows it to happen through neglect. There is literally no third option. You want your cake and eat it too, but you simply cannot.
And don't bore me with Plantinga's defense. It's amateur-hour horseshit a ten year old could pick apart.
