(January 13, 2014 at 11:50 am)Drich Wrote: What if He wanted to establish a realm that allows for happenstance/ act and consenquence play out unimpeeded, do you think He could maintain Omni benevolence without manupliating the inhabitance of that realm?
Allowing people to suffer and die at the whims of happenstance disaster, when it could all be avoided, is still cruel and neglectful.
Quote:What if He gave the inhabbitance of that realm the ablity to collectivly repersent His benevolence by giving them all of the materials needed to meet the needs of those who are in need, but rather than do that, the ones with the over abundance allowed 2/3 of the rest of the world to starve?He gave those same people the nature which makes them act that way. We did not design ourselves, did we? That design choice was his, and he owns all of the responsibility for its results.
Quote:why?
Quote:Again your working on the assumption that God is in control/micro manages the things of this word, when in fact we have been told the oppsite. That 'we' have been given control of this world where we promptly handed it over to sin and the master of sin. That is why we are to pray 'His will be done.' Because it is not currently being done here.
God does not need to micromanage anything. He is simply standing back and allowing all of the evils and maladies of the world take place. Just as easily, he could have set things up so that no evils or maladies take place, with the same level of involvement as he has now, whatever it is.
Quote:If your dad gave you a car when you were 16 and said this car is completely your responsiablity (maintainance oil gas whatever else) and you never changed the oil, a year later the motor locks up, if your dad (or whomever) gave this car to you as a way to help you learn responsiablity, would he then fix the car for you or suffer the indiginity of walking/riding the bus to work for a while (to see you make an effort,) then MAYBE fill in the gaps you couldn't cover on your own?Drich, haven't you learned by now not to try using your shitty analogies on me? They never represent the truth of the situation you're describing.
We do not live in a world that any individual can control beyond a very limited extent. We weren't given a car that will always stay completely operational if only we're responsible. We're given a car that will break down for reasons that have nothing to do with our level of responsibility. It can be destroyed by a falling tree or another driver losing control for reasons which may or may not be either driver's fault.
And all for what? To be taught responsibility? Why weren't we designed to be inherently responsible people?
Quote:The Atheist position is we are to have "free will" and still be convered under God's umbrella of protection.. when in fact we sold ourselves into sin as it's slave and currently serve that master taking us far away from God's protection. This is akin to us blowing the engine in our 'car.' We now are in a state of 'riding the bus' to show whether or not we will accept responsiablity for what we have done. Those who are shown to be responsiable will live under God's grace benevolence and mercy forever, but before we get there we must show we are willing to be responsiable for our actions or inactions.
We're riding the bus because God gave us a shitty car and designed us to be poor mechanics. And somehow, that's our fault rather than his.
