(January 13, 2014 at 11:50 am)Drich Wrote: CIf your dad gave you a car when you were 16 and said this car is completely your responsiablity (maintainance oil gas whatever else) and you never changed the oil, a year later the motor locks up, if your dad (or whomever) gave this car to you as a way to help you learn responsiablity, would he then fix the car for you or suffer the indiginity of walking/riding the bus to work for a while (to see you make an effort,) then MAYBE fill in the gaps you couldn't cover on your own?
That would be the position of a parent who wanted to encourage responsibility and that the walking/riding the bus option was a temporary measure.
Your God, however, doesn't correct your behaviour (in not believing in him) he tortures you forever. he appears to behave nothing whatsoever like a loving parent
Quote:The Atheist position is we are to have "free will" and still be convered under God's umbrella of protection..
No our position is that there is no god at all and when we die we die. There is no umbrella of protection that we demand. Why is it that Idiot Christians seem to believe that, in reality, we believe in god but are just denying it?
Quote: when in fact we sold ourselves into sin as it's slave and currently serve that master taking us far away from God's protection. This is akin to us blowing the engine in our 'car.' We now are in a state of 'riding the bus' to show whether or not we will accept responsiablity for what we have done. Those who are shown to be responsiable will live under God's grace benevolence and mercy forever, but before we get there we must show we are willing to be responsiable for our actions or inactions.
And don't bore me with Plantinga's defense. It's amateur-hour horseshit a ten year old could pick apart.
Your god will forgive any atrocity committed against other people but he will never forgive non beleif in him.
