Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 18, 2026, 9:35 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
No Proof = No Knowledge
#20
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge
(January 15, 2014 at 1:47 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Book of Mormon/Scientology yes certainly, the Quran seems likely and the Bible much less likely. Take into account the level of sincerity St Paul writes with here in Corinthians.

"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.…"

I doubt St Paul was lying about what he believed/experienced, neither he nor any of the other Christians would have stood to gain by lying about this anyway quite the opposite. Joesph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, Mohammed to some degree did stand to gain something by making some shit up. So I think that's a decent point to bear in mind. Of course there is the possibility that everyone involved Jesus himself were nuts/crackers but they acknowledged this a as a possibility themselves yet stood by their faith in the face of persecution against them, in many cases they even ended up martyring themselves they wouldn't do this for a deliberate lie obviously.

Paul converted from Pharisaic Judaism, in which he was also a fanatic. There's no reason to think he was deliberately lying. Many gullible people STILL die for their faith, no matter how unsubstantiated or irrational their beliefs are.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - January 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 14, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by The Reality Salesman - January 16, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 16, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 14, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ben Davis - January 15, 2014 at 10:45 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Darkstar - January 15, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Darkstar - January 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 15, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 10:08 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 17, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 17, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 12:47 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sinnersburninhell100 - January 16, 2014 at 1:03 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 1:25 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 16, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 8:15 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Crossless1 - January 15, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 16, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 16, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:48 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:56 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 2:01 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 2:08 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 8:58 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 2:54 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mothonis - January 26, 2014 at 8:45 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Proof and evidence will always equal Science zwanzig 103 26520 December 17, 2021 at 5:31 pm
Last Post: awty
  Proof god is a quack! no one 27 7532 January 18, 2021 at 10:10 am
Last Post: Gwaithmir
  Turns out we were all wrong. Here's undeniable proof of god. EgoDeath 6 2796 September 16, 2019 at 11:18 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Always Proof Your Yeast! Fuck Proof of Gods! chimp3 12 4540 September 9, 2018 at 3:46 pm
Last Post: Ravenshire
  Proof of Jesus through Personal testimony. Christianity over other faiths orthodox-man 46 16177 January 29, 2018 at 10:05 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  Very short argument for God (another clear proof) Mystic 123 45370 January 26, 2018 at 8:54 pm
Last Post: Succubus
  Should Theists have the burden of proof at the police and court? Vast Vision 16 8657 July 10, 2017 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: Jesster
  The false self and our knowledge of it's deception proves God. Mystic 89 29269 April 14, 2017 at 1:41 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Knowledge, belief, and honesty. Mystic 29 9425 March 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm
Last Post: Mr Greene
  Using scripture as proof. Incoherent-Chaos 19 5526 February 23, 2017 at 10:25 am
Last Post: vorlon13



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)