(January 16, 2014 at 6:09 am)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:Just a quick couple of comments:(January 16, 2014 at 3:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: I do not quite know what you mean by “harming”. It seems to me that if you have made a choice, and being warned of the consequences prior to the effects, you are not being “harmed”, but receive that which you have knowingly made a choice for.We are being harmed because Christian salvation is God saving us from a fire he himself set. It's a stupendously horrifying extortion and it boggles the mind that there are so many people who play into it.
Quote:Justice requires penalty/retribution. That is also a concept in law “The punishment must fit the crime”, or in Bible language – “an eye for an eye.” You will know that each one of us sin against God’s law (as reflected in the Bible) on a daily basis. Not only by our outward actions, but also by our thoughts. So some form of penalty is due. You can choose to pay the penalty yourself, or accept Jesus’ substitutionary death on the cross for your sins.What you describe is not justice. It is simple, animal revenge. It is the "justice" of the cruel and wicked, and the "crime" is opting to not enslave ourselves.
The worst part about the entire nightmarish fairy tale is that, by any objective measure, God is ultimately responsible for every single evil that exists in a universe he allegedly made. We're just the hapless victims, and Christianity blames the products for the flaws intentionally and maliciously designed by their creator.
Of course, all of this should be read in the context, because it's all totally fictional horseshit. I'm not infantile enough to believe that the divine tyrant Yahweh exists, nor am I such a deliberate psychopath that I wish he did.
1) You have yourself offered the solution – you have been given the “tools” to prevent “harm” to yourself. You however voluntarily choose to reject this. Sorry, you wish to live as you choose and not accept the responsibility for your decisions but blame the “person” that has warned you of the consequences?
By law smokers are advised of the possible negative consequences of smoking. You ignore it wilfully and must by implication accept the consequences.
2) My friend, you are not responsible for your actions? The typical “victim” syndrome. Get a grip on life and for once accept responsibility.
3) Totally fictitious? You wish, but there exists sufficient evidence to make a very strong case that He does. For one abiogenesis, another will be historical comments from both Christian as well as reliable secular sources and yet another will be prophecy.
In respect of prophecy it beats me how the world is clamoring to make the Bible prophecy of a one-world government true. It is actually quite funny!