Does BDSM Need Its Own Rights Movement?

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So, if I'm abnormal in a way that should be silenced due to moral concerns, tell me: what demonstrably real, factual harm am I and those like me causing with our practices? Moreover, what harm is there in expecting that the public perception of such things to reflect the factual case of them and not, say, a collection of stereotypes concocted by folks like you?

Who is silencing you? Me? Who? This isn't a free speech thing, man, this is a form of unsavory exhibitionism. If there is anything such as decency in you, you'd tell these people to keep whatever they are doing behind their own walls. They won't bother me, I won't bother them.

Why they so vehemently try to publicize their sex life in front of everyone is really baffling, whereas their exhibitonism does in fact reflect heavily on whatever "stereotypes" me and a grand portion of society might be enforcing, I'm sorry but it is not me who is to blame.

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Look at this and tell me that I'm just being an asshole by not wanting these freaks to roam the streets that the kids and elderly walk.

To be clear, if you're correct that we're degenerate, then the record will show that too. The only possible reason you could have for objecting to us putting forward our case is if you're afraid that the factual case won't reflect the fantasy moral one that you wish to project onto us.

Well, there is no real fantasy that these guys already don't go flaunting around.
In truth, you can only know one's sex life as much as he or she is willing to tell you, and well, these people, the "BDSM community" or whatever they are called perfectly reflect themselves as the freaks they are.
They are in for the shock value, they want people to get shocked and sickened by them, it makes them feel "important", like that they actually matter.

As for us being abnormal... who gets to determine what's normal? You? Whatever the greatest number of people deems? Because if that were the case, your religious beliefs would be just as abnormal as my sexual ones.

There is a standard for sexual norm in every society. Moreover, such norms are not too different from eachother in most countries. The most obvious sexual norm reflects on the reproductive nature of sex.
I didn't define these, nature did.

Oh, or would this be another case where you want the god you can't show exists to determine what's normal? Sorry, but only things that exist get a say in that. Rolleyes

Well, I did not mention God even once throughout our discussion. I think norms are defined by a variety of parameters. And as I said, I do not define normal, I simply conform to it(by default).
You can either choose to conform, or choose not to conform. If you choose not to, that is your problem not mine. Norms do not change at the whims and fancies of fringe groups such as these.

No matter how much you talk, these people will still be regarded as freaks as long as they flaunt their abnormal antics in front of normal society.
And this is how it should be.

And by the way, I am largely happy to keep my bedroom habits in the bedroom, thanks very much. My one request is that you and yours stop lying about what those are behind my back. Is that so unreasonable?

I truly don't know anything about your bedroom habits which is obviously not my concern, neither did I ask you about it, did I?
Neither did the many people that are subjected to the "X pride" movement propaganda campaigns.
But once you publicize something like they do, you deal with the consequences. Like the school slut, going around whoring, with her exploits being the subject of talk and stories, and then whining and complaining about how she is misunderstood and how people have no right to talk about her that way.
But I forgot, such people do not want any sort of responsibility in life! For them, life is a party, free from every burden, free from every norm, free from every form of morality, free from society, free from the past and the future.
As I said before, pathetic. Waste of good oxygen they are. If they were born as mice, they'd at least have a place in the world.