Does BDSM Need Its Own Rights Movement?

[Esquilax]

I don't understand why you actually try to make this about me and you.
Its not about me, its not about you.

I am, however, talking to you about it.

Well, I don't think that you people can come up with any reasonable reasons for this freaky pride parades and propaganda other than what I have professed to.
If you disagree please share these noble motives and we all can feel a bit more enlightened.

Well gosh, how about that very human need to interact with people who share your interests? How about that very reasonable desire, in people who get the short shrift from others, to get together and show that we aren't ashamed of what we are, no matter how we're portrayed elsewhere? Pride, camaraderie, even just talking shop? Perhaps, just maybe, displaying that this unthinking "sex are immoral and private" attitude is mistaken?

To be clear, we get portrayed as weirdoes, immoral, abusers... is it that far fetched that we'd want to correct the record? Not everything has to be about offending people, merely because that offense is an end product.

No, nature did not define your dominant streak or whatever that is.
That'd probably fit in the area of psychology. Refer to the Germanosphere psychologists for more information.

I don't take fiat assertions to be evidence.

And yes, if your weird practices were normal, they would have defined normal throughout the ages. Obviously, they were probably confined to a few fringe groups, and were always associated with secretive, cultish-like practices.

And are all things with small followings bad? Because, you know, vegetarianism, playing pool and a whole host of other things are relatively small, in terms of practitioners. Are they all bad and weird and abnormal too?

Or is there another set of metrics that have nothing to do with the number of people performing an act, that you're using? Perhaps they're derived from your opinions about what's good and bad, and not on sociology?

Its a general problem with sexual deviants that they fail to realize that there always was a uniform norm for sexuality. And as I told you, my opinions on what is normal are heavily influenced by social trends and norms, unlike yours. Your opinions are influenced by those sexual practices of yours. And you want your opinions on what you regard as normal to influence social trends.

Who the fuck cares what the greatest number of people think? They can be wrong: if you were born a hundred years ago and applied that logic, you'd be okay with slavery. Go back further, and your idea of sexuality would involve murdering non-virgins. Social trends and norms have no impact on the truth, and what I think is really going on is you're using that as a cover for the fact that you really do just find it icky.

Such exhibitionism, which I think would be the correct term, is not something I can condone. I do think it is wrong that those freaks are able to roam the streets with their freakish clothes on. It really is a sight that I find rather ugly. It is a sight that I'd not want a child or an elderly person to see, really.

So then move your children somewhere else, and your elderly too. It's not like these demonstrations happen every day, and more importantly, we aren't responsible for keeping you from being offended. Such arrogance! Better not let people kiss or hold hands in public, such impropriety might offend someone. Best not let people of different races commingle, there are probably some older people who're against mixed relationships.

You don't have a right to control public spaces so that you don't get offended. Take responsibility for yourself.

And I don't think that I'm alone in this. There are people out there that do not wish to be informed about the sex life of others in the form of shameless exhibitionism.

Then I guess they don't have to stand there and watch. I don't want to hear people's cell phone calls when I'm out and about, but I don't demand everyone hang up immediately, either. What makes you so special?

And I already know that you do not value my, or anyone else's opinion for that matter. If I did not know about your practices, I wouldn't have voiced my opinion in the first place. But you saw it fit to let me know, and then, tell me that you don't care. You really are *weird*.
Like if I asked someone what they thought about my favorite football team, and when they tell me they suck, I tell them that I don't care about what they think and how little their opinion matters to fans like me.

Wow. Just wow.

No, it's like if you asked my opinion of a football team, and I called you a deviant, immoral weirdo for liking them. Keep your analogies straight.

Would you be offended, if I insulted you based on a single datapoint like that?

Did I open an old wound or something? What is this about "propagating lies behind my back" thing? No one is lying behind your back, mate.

You're saying we're deviants. We're not, ergo, lies. It's bigger than that, obviously, but I really shouldn't have to explain to you how my position is that your views don't reflect reality, and you've failed to show otherwise.

I made this analogy to explain to you that actions beget reactions, and complaining about it simply shows nothing more than you do care about what others think of you.
I didn't know that you'd get so emotional about it, geez.

Who's emotional? I'm just not copping your bullshit, is all.

Besides, those reactions that actions beget? People sometimes make ill informed ones, or immoral ones. A short look back at history should tell you how good the reactions made against the actions of any given Other are.

Well, the pictures I've provided are live photos from a "leather pride" parade.

Yeah, I'm talking about all the responsibility and free rides crap.

Really, whatever. He's not there as a working family man, he's there as the freak in the leather suit drawing a chariot. That's what he is to me.

Good to see you dehumanizing people so easily: definitely hasn't been any morally incorrect actions that begin with that.

Well, if he's a freak in his off time, he should be a freak in his private space.
Nobody asked him to take his freakish off time habits onto the street.
And if he does, I'm not going to treat him as anything but the freak he is, for he obviously wishes to be identified as one, else he'd have come there with his normal clothes on.

And your position is that in a society where those clothes are acceptable, he'd be normal and you'd be the freak. Certainly shows how much of your position is based on personal opinion and not facts.

Other than that, I'm not going to take your bait.

Really, the more I read about the subject, the more I'm convinced that this scene is full with weirdos.

Next, yiffy Furry pride parades, with MLP faggots taking the rear with their MLP shirts waving their cutie marks around.
It doesn't get more normal than that.

You've mistaken "what you like" for "what is normal." The world isn't as two dimensional as you want to portray it. That is all.