CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN

[Ryantology]

I know you get a lot of fundies here, and you probably get used to debate based on different assumptions. So can I make this clear: No-one died. It's a story. People die in stories all the time. No-one gets upset.

Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for the salvation of mankind?

No one died. It's a story.

I'm curious to know the methodology of your cherry-picking.

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[quote='Carnavon' pid='588599' dateline='1390378082']“no corresponding finite crime through which it could be deserved”. That is your personal view and having a very lax attitude towards holiness and also a very limited appreciation of the extreme nature of sin. Our standards of “holiness” is really kindergarten stuff.

The entire concept of 'holiness' is really kindergarten stuff. No offense to kindergartners.

You are not expressing a view consistent throughout even atheism about the existence of a “deity” or “supernatural being”. Our friend Richard Dawkins suggests little green men that seeded life, accepting that some higher intelligence (forbid it may be God) was behind this extremely complex universe.

Is your god a little green man? Why is it that Christians latch onto any possible concept of a god (even when it's stretching things as thin as you are now) as 'evidence' that their specific god is real?

Well, let us put it into perspective. Millions of unborn babies are killed annually without them having a say or any choice in the matter. You have a choice my friend. At present you choose to be “lighted”, although I doubt whether any unborn would voluntarily choose to be killed. Would you have ?

You assume we have the choice to believe in something that makes no possible sense to us.

The plain and simple truth is that you are confronted with God and you can reject or accept Him. As simple as that. That is the choice before you. At present you reject Him.

I don't remember seeing any god anywhere. And I certainly wasted a lot more time looking than I like to admit.

You are offered a gift that you do not by your own merit deserve. This unmerited gift will protect you from harm’s way. You ignore it and harm comes to you. Now you blame the person offering you the gift for not “forcing” you to accept it? Yet on the other hand you do not wish to be a “puppet”? It is illogical. Or would you not mind being a “puppet?

Tell me again, objectively, what's the difference between Christian salvation and a mafia protection racket? Do what I say or I'll send you to hell.

It is so funny. Christians are accused of “wanting to force their views on others”, yet at the same time you want them to. Can you see the lack of logic? You really want Christ to “force you”?

I want Christ to establish the reality of his existence to my satisfaction.

You are wrong. There is sufficient evidence for a rational man – as proven by a great number of scientists being believers. I would suggest that not believing (on an intellectual level) is not rational. Do some objective research on any field you wish where the Bible can be objectively tested. The easiest I suppose is history and archaeology. There is not one piece of conclusive evidence that the Bible facts are false.

There are entire fields of science that have put paid to any possible idea that Genesis happened.

Q: How do you know a position is false and specifically designed to avoid being disproven?

A: When the primary defense for it is "you can't disprove it".

True, Accepting Jesus is not logical. If it is purely based on logic, it would be worthless.

As it demonstrably is.

My claims all rest on the Bible – which I have found to be truthful and comforting – as opposed to threatening.

Any person who finds comfort in stories of rape and slaughter and genocide and slavery and spiritual blackmail really needs to be in a padded cell. Like, yesterday.