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New guy with questions
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RE: New guy with questions
Quote:This view is becoming increasingly popular, the negation of the Beginning to irrelevance, to the point that models of the universe need no beginning, sending theists and cosmologists scrambling, till now we have models of self-replicating existences which always are and always will be. Admittedly they are very sketchy, but the implication is quite fascinating while we work out the details: that the universe no longer requires a point of creation, at least with regards to time, no beginning, at least in the classical sense.
We no not quite, even a self-replicating universe needs a starting point, and as part of that it requires the existence of space-time whether dimensional in the classic notion or in another form. By scientific definition, empty space in space-time isn't really empty, thus your starting conditions are not "nothing". Energy must exist within the system.

So while you can theoretically have self-creating universes, they still require a plane of existence to already exist and meet the required conditions.

Quote:In Black Holes, Baby Universes, and Other Essays, Hawking entertains the idea that perhaps we have, or at least we can discover the secrets to how the universe came to exist, but he quickly adds that even if we do know this, we still do not know why the universe bothers to exist in the first place.
Hawking's ideas on the beginning of the universe fall outside of general scientific thought, and there's no reason to entertain his fringe ideas any more than say Halton Arp's.

If you like I'll ask Ken what he thinks about self-creating universes next time I see him and post the answer?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 11:18 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by orogenicman - January 24, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 11:42 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Minimalist - January 25, 2014 at 12:16 am
RE: New guy with questions - by KichigaiNeko - January 24, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by StoryBook - January 24, 2014 at 8:31 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 11:08 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by orogenicman - January 24, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Cyberman - January 25, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 11:30 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by KichigaiNeko - January 24, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by orogenicman - January 25, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: New guy with questions - by Clueless Morgan - January 25, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 24, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Mudhammam - January 25, 2014 at 12:38 am
RE: New guy with questions - by wolf39us - January 24, 2014 at 11:45 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Angrboda - January 24, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2014 at 12:12 am
RE: New guy with questions - by Aractus - January 25, 2014 at 1:50 am
RE: New guy with questions - by pocaracas - January 25, 2014 at 6:23 am
RE: New guy with questions - by The Last Lamenter - January 25, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: New guy with questions - by pocaracas - January 25, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: New guy with questions - by atheism is illogical - November 28, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Lek - November 29, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by downbeatplumb - January 25, 2014 at 8:24 am
RE: New guy with questions - by Napoléon - January 25, 2014 at 9:09 am
RE: New guy with questions - by Whateverist - January 25, 2014 at 10:34 am
RE: New guy with questions - by WesOlsen - January 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by MindForgedManacle - January 25, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by orogenicman - January 25, 2014 at 8:48 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by MindForgedManacle - January 25, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by orogenicman - January 26, 2014 at 4:51 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Angrboda - January 26, 2014 at 8:59 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Whateverist - January 25, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 26, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: New guy with questions - by Mr Greene - January 26, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Bad Wolf - November 28, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by LastPoet - November 28, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by abaris - November 29, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Whateverist - November 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by abaris - November 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: New guy with questions - by Losty - November 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm

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