Christian Myths and Atheists Lies

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You can't be serious about this can you? It doesn't take much awareness at all to be aware that the public school system is a bastion of secular indoctrination. Your response on this matter cannot be taken seriously at all...therefore I won't

Secular indoctrination. Think about what you just said. You want religious indoctrination? Take the kids to a fucking church. A school is not for proselytizing, it's about learning about the world around us shown through evidence. Christians, in my country at least (USA), generally aren't against education that they can spin into being about God. The flipside of that is when someone challenges the wildly inaccurate claims of the Bible and answers questions without including an unknown and unknowable creator, that's when arms get raised. It's a serious double standard.

So you're seriously trying to tell us that the fathers of scientific thought and research are less significant and have less impact on shaping world history than those who came after them benefited off of their work? Wow! Anything to perpetuate a myth I suppose

It's not perpetuating a myth, it's the fact that the religion had enormous social and political control. It's the same kind of thinking that prohibits cartoonists from portraying the prophet Muhammad. They don't want a million religious yahoos inciting a holy war and going after them for heresy. It's always easier to stay under the radar and not rattle the cages. There's also a reason why there were more secular thinkers after the enlightenment, and a good reason why most scientists currently do not associate with religion or belief in god or gods.

Christian theologians, almost without exception accepted the fact that the earth is a sphere. The only two Christian writers known to have advocated a flat earth were a 4th-century heretic, Lactantius, and an obscure 6th-century Egyptian Monk, Cosmas Indicopleustes. Later, these two obscure and uninfluential writers were used as the prime evidence to prove that the flat-earth view was accepted by the Church as a whole—or at least by large parts of it. The myth that the Church ‘condemned as heretics all who claimed that the earth was round’ was ‘invented by two fabulists working separately: Antoine-Jean Letronne, an anticlerical 19th-century Frenchman, and Washington Irving.The 19th-century American writer Washington Irving was actually the first major promulgator of the flat-earth myth. In his very unreliable biography of Columbus, titled History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus (1828), Irving wrote that it was the flat-earth believing churchmen who vehemently opposed Columbus’ plan to travel to the Indies on the grounds that his ship would fall off the edge of the earth while attempting to sail across the Atlantic.
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Cahill, T., Mysteries of the Middle Ages: The Rise of Feminism, Science, and Art from the Cults of Catholic Europe, Nan A. Talese/Doubleday, New York, p. 224, 2006.

Yes, creation.com has a lot of text that you can cut and paste.

http://creation.com/the-flat-earth-myth-and-creationism

In fact, those who opposed Columbus not only knew the earth was a sphere, but also had a good idea of how large it was—and this was the major reason why they opposed Columbus. Columbus and his men were not afraid of falling off the earth as Irving claimed, but of traveling so far from land in an unknown part of the world. They did not know the American continent existed, and, for this reason, Columbus’ critics correctly believed that a voyage to the Far East would take far too long and cost way too much.

They had a good idea of how large it was, but did not know that two entire continents existed. I don't know what you're trying to argue here. Did Christians come up with the heliocentric concept or something?

You've made plans for next week, next month and next year based on a future you can't see and thing called time that only exists as a concept and you actually believe you're pragmatic?

You guys claim to "believe" in science and then patently ignore the basic law of cause and effect and you still have the gall to call yourselves scientific or even educated?

That's not even intelligent!!!

Wow! I've never heard such a great case! You should run for office, man. You need to get your word out there. Those are some G-REAT points.

...Just forgetting a minor detail that we plan our lives based on our own experiences and the experiences of others, predicted beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt by scientific means and deductive reasoning, and NOT by simply wishful thinking.

I'm also guessing the "cause and effect" argument would be the first cause, or cosmological argument. I'd urge you to stop looking for answers in genesis, join the real world, and understand why that argument is so full of holes you could call it swiss cheese. You make the claim that scientists have a universe without a cause, then you answer that non-question with a creator, more complex that the universe wit no evidence to support it, and guess what, it doesn't have a cause either.

Have you ever considered that causality and time did not exist "prior" to the Big Bang? Why would you assume that the laws of nature existed?

Explain some more, because apparently I'm not that intelligent.