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What do believers say when you ask or tell them..

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RE: What do believers say when you ask or tell them..

March 10, 2010 at 11:27 am (This post was last modified: March 10, 2010 at 11:30 am by tavarish.)

(March 10, 2010 at 12:51 am)tackattack Wrote:
(March 9, 2010 at 7:17 pm)tavarish Wrote:

(March 9, 2010 at 4:17 am)tackattack Wrote: I had to mail you beacuase your PM box was full that's all.. as to your question:
selflessness is all about intent. You can really take a narrow view and say you're praying to feel good, because it historically has felt good to pray, but that leads in a circle. If you pray to get joy or happiness then your intent is for a selfish goal.If you pray for someone elses joy or happiness then your intent is not based off self. If you are praying for someone else becuase it makes you feel good to help someone, then your intent is selfish.

1-So what happens if you pray for someone else to feel good, and by default it makes you feel good?

2-Honestly I do think religion is just made up along the way.

(March 9, 2010 at 4:17 am)tackattack Wrote: Because the World is a part of our known universe and subject to the laws applied here. It may be "convienent" that God (if he does) exists outside our known percieved universe, but it doesn't excuse the Earth from laws we all equally apply to reality within said known universe.

3-You said God had a nature. He cannot act against that nature. He is subject to the laws of that nature. The only reason you say God could not have been created is because you believe it to be. It doesn't shed any light as to where the God attributes come from. It also imposes a pretty obvious double standard, as anything "prior" to the big bang would be unknown and definitely falls into the realm of existing outside our working knowledge of the universe.

4-God always was, but the universe somehow needs a creator.

(March 9, 2010 at 6:21 pm)Soyouz Wrote:

"Because the World is a part of our known universe and subject to the laws applied here. It may be "convienent" that God (if he does) exists outside our known percieved universe, but it doesn't excuse the Earth from laws we all equally apply to reality within said known universe."

5-And how can you possibly know that?

6.Another question: How do you believers view God? What does he look like? Where does he live? Does he breath? Does he eat?Is he a spirit? Is it even a "he"?

If you're not God, you can't possibly know. But tell me what you think.

I'll post fr0d0's argument:

God is transcendent.

...and boom goes the dynamite.

(March 10, 2010 at 12:51 am)tackattack Wrote: 1-look up altruism, it's selfless.. that's intent
2-Religion's been around longer than science
3- Anything prior is unknown and definitely falls into the realm of existing outside our working knowledge of the universe. bolded is what I refer to as the known universe. God can exist inside the Universe, but outside our known universe.
4-He might or might not need or have a creator, all this is high speculation for me. I don't even posit that God exists withing our known universe. It is however a speculation on possibilities.
5-That the Earth is part of our percieved universe? I'm standing on it.
6- I can't speak for all believers just me. I don't see God as anything more than an absolute force radiating his attributes from outside our perceptable universe. Most probably see his as having human characteristics. I believe the Bible meant that he gave us free will and discernement to make us in his image not 2 arms 2 legs, etc.

1. I'm not talking about altruism, I'm talking about something that you know will make you feel good, and making someone else feel good as well. Would such an action be selfish? How do you know this to be true?

2. Alchemy's been around longer than chemistry, I don't see your point. Since it isn't based on anything concrete, you can literally make up anything you want and it can be justified. This is a scary proposition.

3. I think you're mixing around words and hoping they make sense. Our known universe is the universe. We don't know of any others. Anything more than that would be assertion without evidence. If you say God exists in our universe and we just haven't come across him yet, then it is only a matter of time before we widen the goalpoasts and disprove or prove his existence. I don't think this is what you're asserting, however, as fr0d0 would have a bone to pick with you as far as if a God can ever be known through objective means.

4. So you contend that God may live outside our universe, but have ways of manipulating things inside the universe - things that by their materialistic nature can be testable?

You still don't get the fact that you assign properties and a nature to God and give no account to why that is.

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