RE: CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN
January 29, 2014 at 3:25 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2014 at 4:31 am by Carnavon.)
(January 22, 2014 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote:Sorry for the delay in responding.(January 22, 2014 at 7:34 am)Carnavon Wrote: Please provide irrefutable proof and while you are at at, proof of how it then happened.If you are requesting that, then I assume it is because you have "irrefutable proof" that Genesis happened... right?
I am only responding to your claim "There are entire fields of science that have put paid to any possible idea that Genesis happened." .
What I would agree with is that entire fields of theoretical science have put paid that Genesis happened - such as the field of macro evolution. But when we get to the "practicalities", it has some severe limitations - such as the fact that no organism has ever been created from inorganic material, despite some serious efforts.
While we are on the subject (and to let you off the hook), on what basis do you believe/know that living material (i.e "simple" organisms) developed from non-living material?
Have a great day!
(January 22, 2014 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote:Please see my previous response - I asked for proof of a statement made. Maybe you can help?(January 22, 2014 at 7:34 am)Carnavon Wrote: Please provide irrefutable proof and while you are at at, proof of how it then happened.If you are requesting that, then I assume it is because you have "irrefutable proof" that Genesis happened... right?
(January 22, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:Asking me for evidence for Genesis is a cop-out as you are unable to supply proof of the claim made. No offence.(January 22, 2014 at 7:34 am)Carnavon Wrote: Please provide irrefutable proof and while you are at at, proof of how it then happened.
Prove your claim, using extra-biblical sources, that Genesis happened as the Bible describes it. I'll respond with evidence to the contrary. One for one. Quid quo pro.
Quote:Notice you did not responded to the challenge to substantiate your view on what is right and wrong, yet feel free to express views using the very concepts of right and wrong.
I don't need to substantiate it because I don't require you to share it. Since that is not the case for Christianity, it is up to you to justify all of the atrocities attributed to your god by his own followers.
Since your version of 'right' includes things such as rape, slavery and genocide, which are objectionable even to most Christians, you're the one needing to explain your morality.
Same with the issue of right and wrong. No grounds I must assume.
If you can be clear on atrocities, I will be able to respond once you can please clarify why they are atrocities. I am not quite clear on what you mean by atrocities.
Yes, the Bible gives us clear indication of right and wrong and that is the standard.
But if you wish to dispute anything being wrong, you must have a reason for saying so? Some argue that it is in the best interest of society etc. Well, my friend, Hitler believed he acted in the best interest of society by creating a "super race"and eliminating the Jews. So does Hamas, Al-Qaeda think that they are "right". I do not know your personal leanings, but you may not agree with one or more of the "morals" of these groups/individuals. Why is your standard the correct one and theirs wrong ?
Maybe you have not studies the Bible properly and rely mostly on "hearsay" or finding reasons not to believe it.
I mentioned it elsewhere that we tend to think of "kind and gentle Jesus", but that is not the truth - only part of it, as He invites you to come to Him. But God's wrath will also be revealed against ungodliness. As Peter Kreeft mentions (I also read some of Catholic apologetic stuff, some of which are very good) "Whenever I speak of it, they are stunned and silent, as if they have suddenly entered another world. They have. They have gone past the warm fuzzies, the fur coats of psychology-disguised-as-religion, into a world where they meet Christ the King, not Christ the Kitten.
Welcome back from the moon, kids."
Really no offense meant, but you will not get a clear picture of Christ unless you personally and hopefully somewhat unbiased, read the Bible. Maybe start with John. Use the ESV or my personal "favourite" the King James, with commentaries by Barnes, or Matthew Henry.
Thanks for the chat.