What do believers say when you ask or tell them..

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1- knowing the result does not dictate the intent. If you intend to help someone because they need it, it's selfless. If you intend to help someone because it feels good it's selfish, but not self-serving.
2-My point was just because it's not based of concrete tangible reality doesn't mean it's made up as we go. The definitions, interpretations and understanding gets better as we go.
3-Fr0d0's opinions/ interpretations are not my opinions. I'm not mixing words, I'm giving you my understanding. If the universe is a constant and defined as everything that exists, how can our knowledge of it grow and our perception of it widen as it does in astrology and physics. I still assert there is a distinction between the universe as a whole and what we can and have yet percieved of the universe.
4-subjectively yes

As to the last one, Are you asking for why I have faith in God's existence, why I believe I can know aspects of God, or just making a statement?
I've listed on here multiple times my reasonings for belief.

1. You wouldn't help someone on your own accord if it didn't make you feel good on at least some level. No selflessness is without an internal, instinctive reward.
2. "Better" is a subjective term, as many would disagree and state that the message of the religion has long since been lost. With something based solely in subjectivity, literally any claim that you make can be validated. I can say "God made me punch a baby" and I can find validation for it using religious means. The only reason our understanding of the world progresses is because of the scientific method and reason. If all of man had accepted without doubt that God was the creator of all things, we would not need to change our modes of thinking and try to find more rational and repeatable explanations for the world around us.

Thankfully, this isn't so, and religion is being slowly phased out of the Western world.

3. Where are you getting this information? How do you know it to be true?

4. What would happen if that reasoning was tested to be false?

I never asked you why you have faith, I'm asking you why God has such a nature rather than any other, and why he is subject to a nature.

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1- I will respectfully disagree with that. If you feel there are no true selfless acts then I can't change your mind on that and won't try. I feel there are, I have, and hopefully more people will.
2-I agree science has made wide leaps in knowledge on teh tangible world. It simply doesn't have the tools for the intangible, yet, which was my only point.
3-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/universe and my understanding of the universe. The greek geocentric models were replaced by heliocentric models. It's easy to see that the term universe from a cosmological standpoint has grown up a bit through the centuries. I was just making a distinction between the everything and the everything we currently know.
4- Then it would be thrown out.
Everything that we can percieve and define has a nature. God may not indeed need a nature, but for us to perceive him we have to assign it a nature.