CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN

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Asking me for evidence for Genesis is a cop-out as you are unable to supply proof of the claim made. No offence. [/quote]

I assumed you didn't drop out before middle school, but I shouldn't make assumptions.

Your turn!

Same with the issue of right and wrong. No grounds I must assume.

There are no objective grounds for morality.

If you can be clear on atrocities, I will be able to respond once you can please clarify why they are atrocities. I am not quite clear on what you mean by atrocities.

Stupidity or disingenuousness?

The Old Testament is rife with them. One example is 1 Samuel 15:3. The thing is, I've been down this path with other Christian psychopaths, so your response to this will be a special exception for your God. Save yourself the fingerwork.

Yes, the Bible gives us clear indication of right and wrong and that is the standard.

The Bible offers one viewpoint on what right and wrong is. It is no more substantial than anybody else's.

But if you wish to dispute anything being wrong, you must have a reason for saying so?

I would agree with the Bible's ideas, but I'm certifiably not a psychopath, so it doesn't resonate with me.

Some argue that it is in the best interest of society etc. Well, my friend, Hitler believed he acted in the best interest of society by creating a "super race"and eliminating the Jews. So does Hamas, Al-Qaeda think that they are "right". I do not know your personal leanings, but you may not agree with one or more of the "morals" of these groups/individuals. Why is your standard the correct one and theirs wrong ?

I never said mine is correct. Again, I can't tell you that genocide is wrong and make you agree, because you think that slaughtering children and raping captive women is good and moral.

So, where do we make the determination? Well, would you like to be raped by your captors? I can't speak for you on this, but your moral code doesn't give you any ground to object if it happened to you or someone you cared about--assuming you possess empathy.

I mentioned it elsewhere that we tend to think of "kind and gentle Jesus", but that is not the truth - only part of it, as He invites you to come to Him. But God's wrath will also be revealed against ungodliness. As Peter Kreeft mentions (I also read some of Catholic apologetic stuff, some of which are very good) "Whenever I speak of it, they are stunned and silent, as if they have suddenly entered another world. They have. They have gone past the warm fuzzies, the fur coats of psychology-disguised-as-religion, into a world where they meet Christ the King, not Christ the Kitten.
Welcome back from the moon, kids."

Oh, I definitely know better than to buy into the idea that Christ is gentle and loving. He's a spiritual blackmailer.

Really no offense meant, but you will not get a clear picture of Christ unless you personally and hopefully somewhat unbiased, read the Bible. Maybe start with John. Use the ESV or my personal "favourite" the King James, with commentaries by Barnes, or Matthew Henry.

It is logically impossible to get the truth from a source which is 100% biased in favor of the criminal you worship. [/quote]