(January 29, 2014 at 10:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:Nope, agreed you did not. But you will excuse my ignorance as I rely on theories of the first living organism Most evolutionary biologists theorize that the first living organisms were single-celled prokariotes similar to currently existing bacteria. So call it what you like but it seems to me that “cell” just about covers it.(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: That is the exact point - the theory does not tie up with reality. Apart from that, a really substantial amount of information is necessary for a cell to function. This huge amount of information just appeared and exactly right to "create" this organism? This is not logical, not experimentally verified and statistically exceeding "no chance".Did I ever say "cell"?
A cell is a very very advanced mechanism.... so you'd be right in your view that it'd take an extraordinary event for such a mechanism to just pop out of a few atoms..
But I didn't say "cell", now did I?
(January 29, 2014 at 10:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:It is not a hypothesis – it is a faith and one when the “source document” is subjected to scrutiny and whenever possible tested, is validated. On a number of occasions I have requested proof of error when a fact has been stated in the Bible. It should actually be really easy. There are thousands of facts stated in the Bible –(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: With them having solved all the issues, I would like to have a pair of wings - traffic congestion is killing me . You will know from objective analysis that all issues have not been resolved. Kindly consider the number of assumptions inherent in any of the theories.I do... and the assumptions that go into the god hypothesis are also going into the pot...
(January 29, 2014 at 10:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:Consensus does not replace fact. It is fairly evident that assumptions that cannot be proven, invalidates the conclusions. Not by a few millions of years but totally inaccurate. Simple – if you have a 120 ml water left in a glass of 240 ml and presently drink at 20ml/minute, you can assume that you have been drinking for 6 minutes. Assumptions – the glass was initially full, you have been drinking at the same speed. Now change only one of your initial conditions- that the glass was full. Say it was 125ml? Imagine somebody keep refilling the glass every now and then? Your estimates will be totally wrong.(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: Hi, the actual measured age of the earth is changing (adjusted from time to time as "new evidence" comes to light) but is again dependent upon certain assumptions - like uniformatism and a number of others.Well, they may be revising the number to an ever increasing accuracy, but the consensus is in the order of 14by... give or take a few millions.
It may interest you to read on the accelerating expansion of the universe, dumping a number of assumptions I believe and thus "scientists" have to review their theories.
Kindly take note of the considerable number of fraudulent claims have been made in the name of evolution, as against none in the Bible. Now if these were two “persons”, I know which one I will rather believe. One may however choose to believe the one that has on several important occasions proved to be dishonest. Your choice.
(January 29, 2014 at 10:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:Similar to books that you have been advised to read, it makes the same “mistake” of accepting God. All claim to represent Christianity, few do. Even foremost and acclaimed “church leaders” subscribe to heresies. Why is the book I suggest not just another heresy? Many would say so ( even in the “Christian” community ) – as it strongly affirms God’s sovereignty as against the disbelievingly popular “free will” or Arminianism. The reason for claiming “non-heretical” is its consistency with Scripture.(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: But on a more serious note - see if you can find "The sovereignty of God" by Arthur Pink. Maybe it is ridiculous of me to ask you to do this, as even "normal" Christians find this book a bit hard, but maybe it will give you an idea of who God is. Televangelists preach such a distorted gospel and I pity people who have to judge Christ by them. I trust you will consider it.
Have a fantastic day!
Does that book make the same mistake as all others I've been advised to read?
Oh, the mistake is to assume, right from the start, that god exists and is very well defined.
Well, if magic exists, anything is possible, and anything can be written about it... the imagination is the limit!
Enjoy your imagination!
Imaginations? I would tend to agree and disagree with you. Agree – imaginations can run wild and especially if it is on a number of controversial subjects. In contrast to this, if it was just the imagination of people, it is really hard to believe that you will find the consistency throughout the Bible that you do. 66 Books written by 40 authors from different backgrounds (highly educated people, kings to lowly fisherman) over a period of 1500 years without collaboration and consistently saying the same thing ? Not even the James Bond movies are consistent despite collaboration and effort in respect of consistency during a period of a few decades? Come on, who is imagining things?