RE: CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN
January 31, 2014 at 6:16 am
(This post was last modified: January 31, 2014 at 6:26 am by Carnavon.)
(January 30, 2014 at 12:42 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote:Hi. Reading the comment “The truth of some of the facts of the bible have no effect on all the other 'facts' in the book. Spiderman lives in New York City. That is a real place, but does spiderman exist?” ,there are two points:(January 30, 2014 at 11:29 am)Carnavon Wrote: you seem to be predisposed towards not believing despite the evidence.Forgive me if I've missed something here, but are you referring to whether or not Jesus lived, or are you saying there are evidential reasons to believe that Jesus did all of the things that the bible claims he did? Moreover, are you saying that one need not believe only on faith, that there are reasons to form beliefs based on evidence?
Your sentiments about not believing anybody is strangely in accordance with Scripture
1) The truth of some of the facts have no bearing on other claimed facts.
I have indicated in a previous post that credibility of that which can be verified, contributes towards subsequent belief in that which cannot be verified. We all know people who are habitual liars and those we can trust on their word. Based on this, and the truthfulness and accuracy of for instance Luke’s rendering in the Bible (confirmed by reputable non-Christian scholars), it is at least reasonable to accept all that has been recorded. This would the support the notion that it is reasonable to expect that what Jesus was reported as having done, is in fact true.
Extra –biblical evidence of course exists that would support the argument that Jesus in fact did what is reported in the Bible. He was claimed to be a “worker of miracles “. In Rabbinic tradition ( not really Jesus’ fan club) he was apparently accused of sorcery. There are other extra biblical references to Jesus as 'one who did surprising (or unexpected) deeds. Celsus portrays Him as practicing Egyptian magic.
However the miracle of real importance (without which the Christian faith is worthless) is the resurrection of Jesus.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
2) Does Spiderman exist?
My response was aimed at the reality of Jesus as a historical figure.
Believe only on faith? The truth is that we are saved by faith and not through knowledge.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
So mere intellectual assent to the existence of God has little to do with being saved. Saved is by the grace of God through faith. On the other hand, we are not expected to have “blind faith” – thus faith which has little to do with proof. There is sufficient proof for the existence of God – not only in the physical world (science), but also on a spiritual level where the spiritual rebirth that takes place have a marked effect on the regenerated soul.
Trust I answered to your satisfaction?
(January 31, 2014 at 5:44 am)houseofcantor Wrote:I will be happy to learn more. Thanks. I have however read in another article (normal science article) that the big bang theory is being "propped up" as new theories that better explain phenomena may very well lead to its downfall(January 31, 2014 at 4:54 am)Carnavon Wrote: Somewhat related is the theory of an electric universe that proposes a different model than gravity and as I understand puts paid to the highly acclaimed big bang theory.
Well, there's the train of your critical thinking running right off the rails.