Before I go any further, Carnavon, I'd like to congratulate you: I've been on this site for a little more than a year now, and I've never seen another theist user so comprehensively demonstrate how little respect they actually have for their own purported beliefs, in such a short post, before.
I tried to be generous, I suggested that if you didn't want to lie directly to our faces in direct violation of your own bible, that you go and rectify your ignorance before you continue. To see you double down on your strawmen just confirms how much of a hypocrite you really are.
And just like that, your credibility vanishes. Good work.
The singularity could have been any number of things, and since we simply don't have enough information as yet to form a proper theory, most of us are honest enough to simply admit that we don't know. However, that doesn't discount the evidence for the big bang model, which is the strongest we have right now.
To characterize the singularity as "nothing" is not only incorrect, it's outright dishonest; even the most basic explanation of this concept includes the beginning of the first sentence, which would establish that the subject is a concentrated, hyper-dense point of matter. Rather than nothing, you might notice that this would be something.
Given that you attempted to reference Stephen Hawking here, I can no longer charitably presume that you're merely ignorant on this front anymore. No, you're flat out lying, because I doubt you could have picked up that quote without skipping past an explanation of the theory first. You're also cherry picking, like the dishonest tend to do.
How is "we don't know," not a logical position to take, when in fact we do not know? Neither do you, let's be very clear: you've just chosen to be so amazingly arrogant as to accept an answer based on no real evidence, and then to stop there.
Being honest about the state of our knowledge on an issue is not a logical weakness, though for a liar like you, I suppose honesty of any stripe must seem deeply alien.
Humans are apes, you condescending wank stain, and no matter how you attempt to simplify the issue in order to make emotive appeals to how special you feel as a human, you're a fucking ape too. A thoroughly dishonest, detestable little one, but definitely in the same cladistic group as the rest of us apes.
Now kindly go fuck yourself, shitbird.
I tried to be generous, I suggested that if you didn't want to lie directly to our faces in direct violation of your own bible, that you go and rectify your ignorance before you continue. To see you double down on your strawmen just confirms how much of a hypocrite you really are.
And just like that, your credibility vanishes. Good work.
(February 2, 2014 at 11:51 am)Carnavon Wrote: Well my dear friend, that is a simple answer to what you seem to believe - a singularity or by any other name nothing "exploded". If you have any other solution you tell me. Indeed even the highly intelligent Stephen Hawking has no other answer than there is no explanation as all present theories breaks down at some point".
The singularity could have been any number of things, and since we simply don't have enough information as yet to form a proper theory, most of us are honest enough to simply admit that we don't know. However, that doesn't discount the evidence for the big bang model, which is the strongest we have right now.
To characterize the singularity as "nothing" is not only incorrect, it's outright dishonest; even the most basic explanation of this concept includes the beginning of the first sentence, which would establish that the subject is a concentrated, hyper-dense point of matter. Rather than nothing, you might notice that this would be something.
Given that you attempted to reference Stephen Hawking here, I can no longer charitably presume that you're merely ignorant on this front anymore. No, you're flat out lying, because I doubt you could have picked up that quote without skipping past an explanation of the theory first. You're also cherry picking, like the dishonest tend to do.
Quote:So you prefer "we do not know, but we will find out" over "God created it". This is not a logical choice but a philosophical choice. But I stand open to correction.
How is "we don't know," not a logical position to take, when in fact we do not know? Neither do you, let's be very clear: you've just chosen to be so amazingly arrogant as to accept an answer based on no real evidence, and then to stop there.
Being honest about the state of our knowledge on an issue is not a logical weakness, though for a liar like you, I suppose honesty of any stripe must seem deeply alien.
Quote:Now, unless I am mistaken, humans have "evolved" from apes , but again stand to be corrected. Which in simple terms means that your ancestors can readily be viewed in many zoos around the world and the wild. Lucky you!
Humans are apes, you condescending wank stain, and no matter how you attempt to simplify the issue in order to make emotive appeals to how special you feel as a human, you're a fucking ape too. A thoroughly dishonest, detestable little one, but definitely in the same cladistic group as the rest of us apes.
Now kindly go fuck yourself, shitbird.
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