(February 3, 2014 at 7:08 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:Nope. Micro evolution happens within a specie (wolves, horses) and that is everywhere to see - in contrast to macro evolution which supposedly creates completely new species but lacking transitional fossils and it being observed today.(February 3, 2014 at 5:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote: yes, but the Earth is big. The Sun is waaaaaayyyy bigger!
This seems like the simplest way to explain to simple minds how they have been deceived.
If I talk about organisms, it just makes them go back to saying that it's the evolution of these organisms that's causing negative entropy and they'll never get that this evolution is a part of a much greater system.
Their logic confounds me because they don't even protest micro-evolution, yet if entropy applies to organisms at all this is precisely what it would limit. There is macro-evolution because there is micro-evolution. Speciation occurs within the micro-evolution of two split populations whose genes have different environmental pressures to meet.
Jeffrey Schwartz, a Leading evolutionist, has recently stated it was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzhansky's claim about a new species of fruit fly, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed.
So even the fruit fly remains a fruit fly, my friend, despite variations.
But I am sure that no argument will convince you. The best we can do (as the evolution debate has been going on for many years - not only between interested laymen, but between highly qualified individuals - on both sides of the issue) is to assess information as objectively as possible.
I do not understand all the technical jargon, but fortunately there are chaps that understand it well enough to explain it in layman's terms and what I do understand is that the matter is all but settled.
So from my point of view, there is sufficient evidence to logically hold onto a position that does not accept evolution.
Even if I could convince you that Christianity agrees more with what we observe than being an atheist that believes in evolution, it will be of no avail. Real Christianity is about realising how bad our lives really look (morally) and in need of forgiveness, turn to the One that promises forgiveness of all the bad stuff me and you have done.
Came to think of it after somebody commented on the great number of different "interpretations" of the Bible - all claiming to be right. It just struck me that atheism is similar - its approach to the Bible is based on a specific interpretation of it and more particularly the approach that "it is wrong"’ or a myth. This is similar to for instance the "prosperity gospel" which seeks out verses to substantiate their claims.
The only way to evaluate the Bible objectively is to read it/listen to the Word. It is suggested that, if you should do that, stick to expository preaching and not topical. With topical, it is easy to "sneak in" just the passages that agrees with your view. With expository, you have to deal with all that is written there.
I do not judge you or anybody that believes evolution is true. I am one hundred percent convinced that the Bible is true and God will honour his word to every person on earth :
Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Cheers for now.