RE: CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN
February 4, 2014 at 5:04 am
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2014 at 5:05 am by Esquilax.)
(February 4, 2014 at 3:44 am)Carnavon Wrote: Nope. Micro evolution happens within a specie (wolves, horses) and that is everywhere to see - in contrast to macro evolution which supposedly creates completely new species but lacking transitional fossils and it being observed today.
I posted a list of transitional forms that was huge, just one page back. Ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.
Quote:Jeffrey Schwartz, a Leading evolutionist, has recently stated it was and still is the case that, with the exception of Dobzhansky's claim about a new species of fruit fly, the formation of a new species, by any mechanism, has never been observed.
Flavobacteria. Silver foxes. Dog breeds.

Incidentally, the kind of drastic change you're (dishonestly) looking for can't happen, because it requires successive "micro-evolutionary" changes over many many generations. You're saying that it's impossible because you've never seen it happen, but that's because the timescales involved- something you'd know about if you'd bothered doing any research- are immense.
Hence we look to the fossil record which, as my link shows, is loaded for bear with transitional fossils. Game over.
Quote:So even the fruit fly remains a fruit fly, my friend, despite variations.
Yet more reason to believe that you don't actually know what the hell you're talking about; of course it remains a fruit fly, the kinds of changes you're looking for take much longer than you want it to. However, we do have a different species of fruit fly resulting, so... you're just factually wrong, here.
And don't even start with that "kind" bullshit again.

Quote:But I am sure that no argument will convince you. The best we can do (as the evolution debate has been going on for many years - not only between interested laymen, but between highly qualified individuals - on both sides of the issue) is to assess information as objectively as possible.
There is no evolution debate: there are the scientists, who actually know what they're talking about, who almost uniformly accept evolution, and there are creationists, who don't have any education at all, promulgating arguments from ignorance in favor of a position they have developed for ideological reasons, and not fact based ones.

Quote:I do not understand all the technical jargon, but fortunately there are chaps that understand it well enough to explain it in layman's terms and what I do understand is that the matter is all but settled.
So from my point of view, there is sufficient evidence to logically hold onto a position that does not accept evolution.
You are wrong, and as I've shown repeatedly, the places you're getting your information from are [i]also wrong.
Quote:Even if I could convince you that Christianity agrees more with what we observe than being an atheist that believes in evolution, it will be of no avail. Real Christianity is about realising how bad our lives really look (morally) and in need of forgiveness, turn to the One that promises forgiveness of all the bad stuff me and you have done.
Came to think of it after somebody commented on the great number of different "interpretations" of the Bible - all claiming to be right. It just struck me that atheism is similar - its approach to the Bible is based on a specific interpretation of it and more particularly the approach that "it is wrong"’ or a myth. This is similar to for instance the "prosperity gospel" which seeks out verses to substantiate their claims.
The only way to evaluate the Bible objectively is to read it/listen to the Word. It is suggested that, if you should do that, stick to expository preaching and not topical. With topical, it is easy to "sneak in" just the passages that agrees with your view. With expository, you have to deal with all that is written there.
I do not judge you or anybody that believes evolution is true. I am one hundred percent convinced that the Bible is true and God will honour his word to every person on earth :
Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Cheers for now.
And then we get to preaching, a sure fire sign that the preacher knows but won't admit that they've completely lost the argument on factual grounds.

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