What do believers say when you ask or tell them..

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No, I did not. I said nothing about what Christianity is based on. I said salvation is based on God's grace, not human works.

Fair enough.

No, that would be a wildly inaccurate statement, one that completely ignores what I had actually said. Belief in God does not save anyone. I'm not saved because I believe, but because of what Christ did. It's not as if man exists in some state of spiritual neutrality from which either 'belief' or 'non-belief' finally determines his standing before God, whether justified or condemned. On the Christian view, all mankind exists in a state of condemnation already on account of sin. We all come from the same pool of death and darkness, of sin and moral ruin—and through unbelief, itself a sin, man remains there. We exist under judgment for death; only in Christ is there judgment for life. We exist under God's wrath; only in Christ is that wrath removed. We exist in condemnation; only in Christ are we justified. Salvation is through Christ, not belief, who died for the sins of all who repent and believe.

You're not making any sense.

First you say "Belief in God does not save anyone."

Then you go on to say "Salvation is through Christ, not belief, who died for the sins of all who repent and believe."

So in order for me to be saved, I need to believe that Christ is my personal savior - an entity that is also considered God. Or am I getting this wrong?

"The doctrines of grace are the biblical teachings that define the ends and means of God's perfect work of redemption. They tell us that God is the one who saves, for his own glory, and freely. And they tell us that he does so only through Christ, only on the basis of his grace, only with the perfection that marks everything the Father, Son, and Spirit do. The doctrines of grace separate the Christian faith from the works-based religions of men. They direct us away from ourselves and solely to God's grace and mercy. They destroy pride, instil humility, and exalt God." (James R. White)

Niiiiice.

You are not a Muslim and neither am I, so I'm not interested in having a Quran study. I know from having studied Islam, through its texts and imams, how the pious Ahl al-Kitab will fare before Allah, why the Quran says what it does about the Trinity, what unbelievers and rejecters are considered to be, and pretty much zero confidence in the fidelity of your gunshot proof-texting. This is a thoroughly pointless exercise. Let's confront the beliefs you and I do have, not ones we don't.

I'm currently studying Islamic history, doctrine, and society. The issue of non-believers are taken in a variety of different contexts. I'm trying to make the point that it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

On your view, sure. And if your view turns out to be right and Christianity wrong, that will not matter; in the grave I decompose none the wiser. Ergo, my answer holds.

See you in dirt.

Will you now support that claim? Or are you content being guilty of the very thing you accuse theists of?

You're a smart guy. I'll take it as a given that you understand how burden of proof works. I'm making the claim that no objectively verifiable evidence is available that points to the existence of a God, much less a Christian God. The onus is on the person making the God claim to provide sufficient evidence.

Look again at what I said on that point, this time without reading a bunch of stuff into it. It states exactly what I was saying. (I tend to say exactly what I mean, and mean exactly what I say.)

You made the point that the universe had a beginning, and that God having a creator is a loaded question.

Do you believe that God was the creator of the universe?

If yes, what evidence do you have to support this claim?

I'll ask you more specific questions without going off on tangents.