Question for Atheists

[Alex K]

Hey khan4036,

@khan

So you basically wrote down some piece of teaching from your religion. But how do you know it is so? It's only an assertion, the argument is missing why I should believe it.

Let's set aside my religion for a moment and consider myself to be an atheist.

Okeydokey rhetorical apostasy it is.

There a lot of secrets buried inside what we see as apparent. Wind ,nature, rain. There a hell lot of things which ask us to ponder over them and to think over the existence of some Supreme authority.

I was completely with you until the last two words, really! There are as you say lots of secrets buried in the word around us, many not apparent at all, and modern science has found out absolutely astonishing things about all these things. No shred of evidence for divine interference, though, but many mind boggling insights into the workings of evolution and the fundamental forces and laws of the cosmos.

If you think , it becomes clear that universe was definitely created for some reason.

No, really not!

And we will come close to it on the last day. Does not it make sense to you ?

No

That our lives are not meaningless.

Of course there is the long discussion about what we mean when we say "meaning". It seems rather clear to me that meaning is an entirely human concept.

Good and Bad was born simultaneously.

I also think good and bad are human concepts which only exist when we interpret what happens in the world as beneficial or not for some end.

We are here to perform our deeds. I may be wrong or right. I dont know.

Again, this is just the same assertion again

Everyday , I wake up in my bed and look outside my window , my first stare sets at the beautiful nature surrounding my house. Then the sky. The birds. THen I feel the wind.

Same here! Add to the list the breathtaking sky above my bedroom windows if there is a clear night.

I feel as if they all are trying to tell me something.

Or maybe they just are.

When the birds chirp , I try to decipher what they are trying to say to themselves.

Oh, but they probably do! Birds are pretty smart.

I m here for something. God is testing me. He has watching over all of my actions.

Assertion again

And while , I enjoy the beauty around me , m aware that all is Immortal. Universe was meant to end. I hope you are getting me ?

I think you communicate your general feeling of purpose well, and I think I can actually relate to it to a certain extent. I simply suspect very strongly that this feeling of purpose and ultimate meaning is something that happens in our heads, not something that is fundamentally present in nature. We are evolved to identify patterns in what we see, and to identify agency in the world - those were crucial evolutionary advantages which paid off enough to afford an expensive (in terms of energy) large brain. It helps us to identify predators, to live in social groups, to find food efficiently, and to construct tools. Our curiosity and sense of purpose and agency of the world as a whole ("divine" feeling) is probably just a spinoff of this mechanism. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't act on our curiosity and embrace the warm and fuzzy feelings which we get when we behold the wonders of nature, but I don't think we are justified to interpret any deep cosmic meaning into it.

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