You're hopeless, but I'm going to waste a few minutes to type this... just in case...
The rise of apologetics.
Oh the people in the story?... yeah... requires that I believe in the story for it to count as evidence, doesn't it?
Or the ones that were plagiarized off Confucius and other far older thinkers?
The order of the Universe... what order? It's a mess.
It's all scattered.... it's huge... it's made up of tiny tiny things.
Science... the real one... claims there was a big bang, a moment when expansion started. It makes no claim about what was before, because it cannot measure anything in there. The official stance is "we don't know", so we don't go out and make up stories about it.
We may conjecture, we may hypothesize, but all those hypothesis have the same value, which is zilch!
You can clump your own favorite god hypothesis there, too... value = zero.
Brain is still functioning. most people who go through near death does not experience anything. Only a few think they've experienced something.
Something happened alright, in their brains!
The brain is an awesome organ, very powerful, but also very fragile...
IT has a number of mechanisms to check its functionality, but sometimes, they fail... and if they fail and the person is unaware of such failure, mystical things can happen!!
Ouija boards are cool, though!
baffling is: need more data!!
And not just once... every so often, to give everyone a chance to meet the guy.
But now is too late for the guy to start appearing... it should have been doing that since the very start...
This is just an example... there are more where that came from.... all of them are remarkably absent from the observed reality.
Define "objective morality" for us heathens, why don't you?
My definition puts the burden of objectivity on the social group (this group can be a whole country, or only a village) ... and subjectivity on the individual.
According to such a definition, there is objective morality, without any outside entity imparting on us such morality.
No man, you present no evidence, just your own wishful thinking, re-re-re-reparsed from over 100,000 years ago.
Where you see some mega being, I see people.
I see people's minds working in wonderful resourceful ways attempting to make sense of their own ignorance.... I see that ignorance shrinking... I see people still clinging to that ignorance... for what?.. comfort... comfort about the meaninglessness of their lives, comfort about the stupidity of their certain deaths...
I agree that it is a comforting notion and many people are better off with that notion.
But some people, mostly atheists, are aware that this comfort is just some psychological feature at play in the human brain.
These people are unable to feel that comfort and, for the most part, feel no need for it. They realize that it is not reality and carry on with their lives just fine armed with that information.
Man-made myth is just that: man-made.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: There is 100,000 years worth of evidence from the universality human spiritual experience,That's 100k years of humans with a lot of wishful thinking coupled with fear of the permanence of death and inability to explain the world around them.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: at least 2500 years worth of philosophical evidence,That's people trying to make sense of what they've been led to believe for the past 97,500 years!
The rise of apologetics.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: 2000 years of theological evidence,no... not 2000 years.... only a few letters written roughly 2000 years ago with some stories and explanations of said stories...
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: the historical evidence of the BibleWhich has as much value as the historical evidence of the Harry potter books, the Spider-man comics and the "based on a true story" feeling of Jurassic Park.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: and the, the evidence of peoples life changing encounters with the risen Christ,Whose lives changed with such an encounter again?
Oh the people in the story?... yeah... requires that I believe in the story for it to count as evidence, doesn't it?
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: historical evidence of the impact and change in society Christs teachings have had,Oh, those teachings about turning the other cheek which led to the inquisition?
Or the ones that were plagiarized off Confucius and other far older thinkers?
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: the accounts of St Paul's personal experience of Christ/God,The self-authored story about how he had an epileptic attack, that got attributed to some spiritual thing which he had been led to believe exists during the previous 97,500 years?
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: evidence of death of JesusStories exist of followers of the christ... the only ones about the man himself are in the bible, carrying a strange bias...
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: and the empty tomb which even secular historians accept,Again, one must believe in the story for it to count as evidence...
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: evidence from immense complexity and fine tuning and precise order of the cosmos and the entirety of the universe itself which suggests purpose design from a rational creative power,Haven't you been told that there's no such thing as fine tuning?
The order of the Universe... what order? It's a mess.
It's all scattered.... it's huge... it's made up of tiny tiny things.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: scientific evidence that demonstrates that the universe was created via an instant of creation as the Bible and many other faiths describe,Boy, you have your sciences mixed up.
Science... the real one... claims there was a big bang, a moment when expansion started. It makes no claim about what was before, because it cannot measure anything in there. The official stance is "we don't know", so we don't go out and make up stories about it.
We may conjecture, we may hypothesize, but all those hypothesis have the same value, which is zilch!
You can clump your own favorite god hypothesis there, too... value = zero.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: evidence from near deathNot evidence. Near death is not death.
Brain is still functioning. most people who go through near death does not experience anything. Only a few think they've experienced something.
Something happened alright, in their brains!
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: and other mystical experiences too numerous to mentionMystical == in their brains!
The brain is an awesome organ, very powerful, but also very fragile...
IT has a number of mechanisms to check its functionality, but sometimes, they fail... and if they fail and the person is unaware of such failure, mystical things can happen!!
Ouija boards are cool, though!
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: and evidence of numerous scientifically baffling events that run throughout the entire course and expanse of human history!Baffling is not the same as god-did-it.
baffling is: need more data!!
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: How much more evidence do you want?Oh... a god-father-figure appearing physically in front of everyone on the planet to impart some of its infinite wisdom and knowledge... that would work well.
And not just once... every so often, to give everyone a chance to meet the guy.
But now is too late for the guy to start appearing... it should have been doing that since the very start...
This is just an example... there are more where that came from.... all of them are remarkably absent from the observed reality.
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Throw in such facts as the inability to have freewillDepends on what you call "will".
(February 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: or any kind of objective morality
Define "objective morality" for us heathens, why don't you?
My definition puts the burden of objectivity on the social group (this group can be a whole country, or only a village) ... and subjectivity on the individual.
According to such a definition, there is objective morality, without any outside entity imparting on us such morality.
No man, you present no evidence, just your own wishful thinking, re-re-re-reparsed from over 100,000 years ago.
Where you see some mega being, I see people.
I see people's minds working in wonderful resourceful ways attempting to make sense of their own ignorance.... I see that ignorance shrinking... I see people still clinging to that ignorance... for what?.. comfort... comfort about the meaninglessness of their lives, comfort about the stupidity of their certain deaths...
I agree that it is a comforting notion and many people are better off with that notion.
But some people, mostly atheists, are aware that this comfort is just some psychological feature at play in the human brain.
These people are unable to feel that comfort and, for the most part, feel no need for it. They realize that it is not reality and carry on with their lives just fine armed with that information.
Man-made myth is just that: man-made.