RE: Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists?
February 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2014 at 7:37 pm by fr0d0.)
(February 23, 2014 at 2:07 pm)whateverist Wrote: An honest Christian will admit that they believe in God because they feel His presence and it is that presence they address in prayer. Christians feel this Gods approval and disapproval. That is why so many have a hard time imaging how an atheist can even have a conscience. Christians don't test to see if this sense of God is real and it would seem abhorrent to do so. This is where faith comes in.
I don't agree with this. I believe in God because I am rationally convinced of it. Any subsequent feeling serves as an anecdotal confirmation.
I don't "feel" approval or disapproval, I rationalise it, especially, almost exclusively against biblical precedent. I acknowledge many and varied human expression outside of the bible to be consistent with it.
An atheist or any human conscience is governed by its nature as defined biblically. The biblical worldview sets that out. I don't deny that this could be replicated in other models, personal or collective.
Faith is the model that supports the rational structure of belief. It's the opposite of a get out clause.
(February 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm)rasetsu Wrote: A swing and a miss!
A miss swinging