RE: Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists?
February 24, 2014 at 10:33 pm
(This post was last modified: February 24, 2014 at 10:39 pm by discipulus.)
(February 24, 2014 at 10:23 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(February 24, 2014 at 10:11 pm)discipulus Wrote: I do not have any evidence that cannot be explained away by someone who is unwilling to accept it.
In other words, the evidence I have is of the sort that it can be explained away if it is presented to a person who does not want to accept it.
I hope you can see how this differs from what you have suggested I have said. I have mentioned nothing about "prior belief" at all.
But you are clearly implying it. The "evidence" you have presented clearly only works with a presupposed belief in god.
You understand that a desire to accept evidence has nothing at all to do with the quality of that evidence, right? If you present evidence that is unconvincing, that is your problem, not ours.
Remember: you are that theist that came to an atheist forum. It is absolutely ridiculous to come in here and claim that we are the ones with the problem if we don't accept what you say. It's just beneath rationality.
That is your opinion. I thank you for sharing it. I engage people here on a personal, case by case, individual level. I do not make blanket statements about all atheists nor do I lump all atheists together. I believe some are willing to hear me out on what I have to say and I believe some are unwilling.
I believe desire plays a very big part in whether someone accepts or rejects a truth claim. I do not believe that some here are as objective in their pursuit of knowledge as they claim to be. I believe we all have desires and they do influence our beliefs, myself included.
(February 24, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:(February 24, 2014 at 10:26 pm)discipulus Wrote: No. That is a non-sequitur.
It could be that the person is willing but that they have judged the evidence to be weak.
Fair enough. So a willing person who judges the evidence to be too weak to adopt Christian belief is condemned by your loving god, or do they get a mulligan for good intentions?
A person is condemned because they reject God's offer of salvation found only in the person of Christ.