RE: Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists?
February 25, 2014 at 9:19 pm
(February 25, 2014 at 3:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: [quote='Rampant.A.I.' pid='610021' dateline='1393349305']
Part of the problem I see in this thread is there is no attempt to divide the non-objective Truth beliefs people arrive at by faith, and objectively justified true beliefs derived empirically without faith.
Really?!
I see quite the opposite. The Christians are repeatedly stating the difference between objective and subjective truth beliefs. The nonsense that scientific objective beliefs have to be applied to subjective religious beliefs.
The religious are saying they're not interchangeable, the non religious are saying they are.
The personal evidence is freely available to all. Have you not heard of the bible?! It is actually objectively established that religious truths cannot be proven scientifically. What I can't understand is why anyone would want to keep pummeling their head into a post over that.
I'm not going to force you not to do that, but I feel I must stand up for reason and point out your folly.
I'm confused. If you're saying religious beliefs are first person phenomena, I agree. They are real for those that experience them. But why go on about "personal evidence"? Since it is only a passive reflection of your personal, subjective experience .. why assume anyone who doesn't already share that sort of experience will suddenly develop those beliefs based on your testimony? Surely you're not so naive as to think we are all basically the same. Even if we were the same, why assume that what you believe must be what we would believe if we considered it aright? Perhaps the shoe is on the other foot.
