Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 9, 2025, 12:11 pm

Poll: I claim...
This poll is closed.
that God exists empirically
21.05%
4 21.05%
that I believe in God
21.05%
4 21.05%
none of the above
57.89%
11 57.89%
Total 19 vote(s) 100%
* You voted for this item. [Show Results]

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists?
RE: Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists?
(February 26, 2014 at 8:59 pm)whateverist Wrote:
(February 26, 2014 at 7:23 pm)discipulus Wrote: No non-theist that I am aware of makes use of the reasons you mention when debating the existence of God in a formal, academic setting i.e. a university.

That's probably because I'm not arguing that God doesn't exist. I have every reason to believe He exists in your subjective experience and that of many others who make the same claim. I certainly have no evidence to say any of you are wrong. However, my best attempt at understanding this phenomenon is that the God you experience is not what you think it is. What I feel a great deal more certain of is that the bible is altogether irrelevant to the question of God's existence.

Oh ok. I understand you. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

(February 26, 2014 at 8:47 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
(February 26, 2014 at 7:23 pm)discipulus Wrote: The problem of evil argument posits that evil and suffering could not exist if God existed and possessed the attributes traditionally ascribed to him in western philosophy. One of those attributes being omnibenevolence.

The problem of evil posits that evil and suffering can only exist in a universe created by an omnipotent/omniscient god if that god either intentionally designed it that way, or if that god is neglectful. A good and attentive god with omnimax qualities (in terms of power and knowledge, not benevolence) is logically invalid if our universe is his creation.

How is it logically invalid? I think you are using the wrong word when you use "invalid". Validity speaks to an arguments form. I think you may mean to say "contradictory".
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Q: do you, Christian, claim that God exists, rather than you believe that he exists? - by discipulus - February 26, 2014 at 9:48 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  I believe the Bible is God's Word arealquestion 75 12300 July 25, 2025 at 1:51 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  What seems to be the latest claim about end times belief Vintagesilverscreen 6 1876 June 28, 2024 at 6:47 pm
Last Post: Prycejosh1987
  Good exists - a Catholic comments Barry 619 86525 October 30, 2023 at 2:40 pm
Last Post: Bucky Ball
  GOD's Mercy While It Is Still Today - Believe! Mercyvessel 102 15630 January 9, 2022 at 1:31 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
Thumbs Down The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you. onlinebiker 75 12007 September 24, 2021 at 5:53 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Armageddon. Does it make Jesus rather evil? Greatest I am 21 3891 February 9, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian? KUSA 371 117187 May 3, 2020 at 1:04 am
Last Post: Paleophyte
  Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. Drich 206 101245 December 23, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Last Post: no one
  In the end, there's just what you personally believe Silver 31 7625 August 12, 2018 at 2:27 pm
Last Post: LadyForCamus
  The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself Silver 43 12184 June 2, 2018 at 1:30 pm
Last Post: Angrboda



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)