RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
March 2, 2014 at 4:49 am
(This post was last modified: March 2, 2014 at 5:10 am by fr0d0.)
(March 1, 2014 at 11:58 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(March 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The question was... How do you know that the mass murdering rapist isn't dealt justice and is sent to heaven? You don't know. Your questions repeated Luckies and Rahuls's.
Well, if I was a Christian, I'd have to go with what the Bible says, and it speaks of no place like purgatory. Even if it did, you're talking about a relatively insignificant period of judgement when eternal bliss directly follows. So the reformed mass murderer is still given a much better fate than the (say, humanitarian) atheist, and I still don't see how that equates to justice in any sense of the word familiar to my mind. Does that seem like justice to you? Or do you in the back of your mind say, "No, that doesn't seem fair to me..but I just have to trust God because he knows"? I'm honestly asking.
I can't answer for you. I can only answer with what I believe to be true. Justice means the same thing to you as it does to me. If a person is living in a way that harms their own life (dogma: apart from God), then that's the level of death he imposed upon himself. If someone who has committed a serious act damaging their own life, but now lives not harming it, and has truly made up for the bad things they've done... in true justice... which one is deserving of further punishment? This is perfect justice as you would see it. It wouldn't be different to what you think is fair.
(March 2, 2014 at 12:00 am)Rahul Wrote:(March 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The question was... How do you know that the mass murdering rapist isn't dealt justice and is sent to heaven? You don't know. Your questions repeated Luckies and Rahuls's.
John 3:16
Accept Jesus as your personal savior and all your sins are washed away as white as snow. If you don't accept, well you were born in sin, and there's only one other place you can go.
What denomination congregation do you attend?
See my info. Yes the promise is that Jesus clears our debt. Something all of us need because none of us are blameless. That doesn't mean that justice is not served. A rich person can be in a worse position than a criminal when it comes to pride.
If hell only applied to the present, who could be most guilt free... someone in jail serving a sentence for a serious crime, or Dave next door who is law abiding? Say the criminal, let's call him John, at this moment did nothing that detracted from him living a happy life, and Dave did do stuff that detracted from his enjoyment in life. John would be in heaven, and Dave hell. Do you see how that works?
(March 2, 2014 at 12:27 am)rasetsu Wrote: On a more fundamental level, justice is about taking appropriate action in the face of inappropriate actions. God's justice is about taking appropriate action in the presence of inappropriate thought. Any system of justice whose main crime is a thought crime cannot be perfectly just in my view. Thoughts aren't deserving of punishment; acts are.
That's a human stance, and something we all need I think. Both the perpetrator and the victim: justice for our actions, or acts against us. It's each parties burden to put right in their thoughts any hindrance to their peace.
