(March 3, 2014 at 3:23 am)Zen Badger Wrote: God sends those bears to kill the kids.I reject the unargued philosophical bias that God does wrong. The Bible says that God is good and there is no evil in Him.
Quote:24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.”
From a theological perspective, where in the text does it say that "God sent the bears?"
(March 3, 2014 at 3:24 am)JuliaL Wrote: I object to your use of the phrase, 'just animals,' as if applying it to humans belittled them.
I'm sorry, you're right, I did use prejudicial language. I retract my initial proposition and change it to: "if humans are animals..."
(March 3, 2014 at 3:24 am)JuliaL Wrote: Why is an animal killing another animal wrong? Absolutely, it is not. Absolutely, killing humans is not wrong.
I'm a little unclear, are you arguing that the prohet in question did or did not do something morally wrong?
(March 3, 2014 at 3:24 am)JuliaL Wrote: It is only humans and their imaginary friends who consider killing humans wrong and then only most of the time. If it were absolutely wrong to kill humans, then bears would know this and refuse to kill children. Christians have to deny moral agency to non-humans in the face of observed fact. They do this to maintain a fantasy of human superiority.
Mothering of young, objection to unfairness, risk taking to benefit others are observed moral behaviors in non-humans. You claim such is instinct for others but not humans? You ask for special pleading. Christians conflate 'absolute' morality with 'objective' morality. They fail to consider that an absolute morality would apply equally to humans, animals and inanimate objects.
In the Biblical view "absolute morality" is that morality revealed by God through the scriptures. It differentiates between humans and animals because God created us differently. Only humans are created in His image and likeness. The evolutionary view equates humans with animals. So yes, in the evolutionary view it would be special pleading to have different rules for humans than for the rest of the animal kingdom. This is however a different view than the Biblical view.
(March 3, 2014 at 11:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: ... Because the survival instinct of organisms is one of the fundamental drives of natural selection, and those that don't have those survival instincts and think being killed is good don't... survive, and get selected?
Natural selection is a non-human manifestation and thus amoral.
(March 3, 2014 at 11:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: From an evolutionary perspective, those animals that don't think being killed is wrong tend to be the failed species.
I don't mean wrong in the sense of being harmful to survival, I mean wrong in the sense of morality. Why is one animal killing another animal wrong?
(March 3, 2014 at 11:45 am)Faith No More Wrote: That's funny, because this only seems to be a problem for atheists in theists' heads.
Making an argument that God is immoral without a standard of morality is an irrational argument. What is your standard of morality apart from the Christian God?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?