Lets compile a list of everything wrong with christ-insanity

[*Deidre*]

I agree with Napoleon, discipulus. Not because I don't believe as you do anymore, but rather you don't seem to really be ''listening'' to what people are addressing here, unless it supports your ideas. Granted most of us here are on opposite sides of the fence to you, but you seem to just drone on and on about Jesus this and that, and think that's an actual answer. You give a lot of non-answers, and don't seem interested in a genuine exchange of ideas. Unfortunately, you can agree or not, religion breeds a rigidness of views. The religious person views everything through the lens of his/her 'holy' book, and that's it. Meanwhie, your holy book is basically a composite bunch of stories of the biggest hypocrites in history.

But, such is life in religion. You are like on auto pilot, chanting your book's 'rules' and such to us all here, as if you are the authority, simply because you buy that bunk.

People have been living productive, healthy unselfish lives, without Christianity...long before it even came onto the scene. And the person who was responsible for a lot of what you are reading in your beloved book, was Constantine. That is verifiable history.

You judge a tree by the fruit it bears Deidre. You judge a Christian by the fruit they bear.

If someone says they love God and hates their brother then they are a liar, for how can they say they love God whom they have not seen and yet hate their brother who they do see.

Deidre, you have been judging Christianity by looking at the lives of people who live contrary to its teachings. You should not do this. It seems to me you are desperately trying to stockpile reasons why you should not believe.

Rather, what you should do is judge Christianity by looking at the lives of those who do seek to imitate Christ and love their neighbor as they love themselves.

You seem to be under the impression that Christianity is a tremendous evil in the world but I challenge you to a debate to defend that view.

Why judge a worldview by its abuse?

Why not judge it by looking at the fruit produced by them that seek to follow its precepts?

Oh, I do discern people's character by both things...all of their actions. I'm no better than the next person, but I try to live my life in doing well by and for others. That said, I do believe and know good people who think that their good deeds are only accomplished through their faith beliefs. I've asked one of my Christian friends recently...so if you stopped believing in Jesus as your Savior, you would cease to do good things?

*deer in headlights look* Then...'No, dee, I don't think THAT.'

So, why assume that people aren't inherently good? Why assume they are inherently bad, and in need of a Leader? A Messiah? And that without that Messiah, they'd live lives of chaos and destruction?

That's more of what I'm saying. That's why what you're driving at discipulus, is really little more than a house of cards.