Lets compile a list of everything wrong with christ-insanity

[*Deidre*]

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Oh, I do discern people's character by both things...all of their actions. I'm no better than the next person, but I try to live my life in doing well by and for others. That said, I do believe and know good people who think that their good deeds are only accomplished through their faith beliefs. I've asked one of my Christian friends recently...so if you stopped believing in Jesus as your Savior, you would cease to do good things?

*deer in headlights look* Then...'No, dee, I don't think THAT.'

So, why assume that people aren't inherently good? Why assume they are inherently bad, and in need of a Leader? A Messiah? And that without that Messiah, they'd live lives of chaos and destruction?

That's more of what I'm saying. That's why what you're driving at discipulus, is really little more than a house of cards.

Have you not looked at the news recently? Have you not picked up a newspaper?

Have you not observed little children on a playground? How they need not be taught how to be selfish and little bullies? How they have to be taught continuously what it is to share and be kind?

People are not inherently good, but are inherently selfish, self-centered, and egotistical. The behavior of little children demonstrates this. Not to mention the millions of evils committed in the world everyday by adults against adults and against children.

Would you like me to send you some videos of people having their heads cut off while being video-tapped because they had told police of certain activities of drug dealers, or videos of men stabbing and shooting their ex-wives because of hatred, jealousy and bitterness?

I have been in the military Deidre, I have seen how people treat one another, from the east to the west have I traveled, and I can promise you that everywhere I have gone, the story is the same. The evil that men are capable of, if you were to witness it first hand, would cause you to to be forever rid of the naive idea that men are inherently good.

You are living in utter denial if you sit there and think people are "inherently good".

That is about the farthest thing from the truth that I know of.

I do believe all people are inherently altruistic, but are capable of doing selfish deeds. See, what's funny about this, is as a Christian you should be viewing the same. You have labeled PEOPLE here as bitter, and such...but that isn't what Jesus taught his followers to do. But, I digress.

I don't disbelieve that Jesus, 'a' man, may have existed at some point in history. I don't believe he was Divine. If he existed, the story in the NT illustrates him as a rejector of religion. He didn't like how the Pharisees 'worshipped' their Deity, and their rules and regulations that caused them to see themselves as elite, and the rest of the population, as peasants.

Many years after he died, the Bible was complied. How do you know that the story of Jesus being divine, and dying for sins, etc wasn't an add on, as to CREATE a religion?

Jesus was against religion, why on earth would he want you to worship him, and follow a religion that worships him? If he was executed at all, it was due to the fact that he went against religion. That's as far as any 'real' story probably goes, as it relates to Jesus. The virgin mary, and saving us from sin...I think, was a manmade invention as to create a religion to control. There is no proof to support that Jesus was who you say he is. Many historians merely believe that he could have existed.

That's what I believe, since we're ont the topic of Jesus.