(April 8, 2010 at 7:49 pm)pack3tg0st Wrote: But your failing to account for god.Ok, but then your entire example fails because it isn't an accurate representation of reality. The sets {exists} and {no/exists} don't actually exist physically, only as concepts to help us understand the nature of existence.
If god is in the set {exists}, than he did not 'create' the set {exists}
If he can move from {no/exist} into {exists} than the creator did indeed come from nothing, and has an origin...
You're also forgetting that the creator created {exists} from {no/exist}
The paradox isn't related to 'god'.
It relates to a creator as described in the judeo-christian faith.
No, God didn't create the set {exists} because no such set exists as a "thing". It is simply a mathematical description of everything that exists.
I suggest you actually read up on the faith before you make wild assertions about it, since anyone with even a basic understanding of Christianity would know that the God of Christianity is said to be eternal (i.e. has always existed) and has never been a member of the set {no/exists}, and that it was the first thing in existence, so was the first member of the set {exists}.
No, the God didn't create the set {exists}, but that is because the set {exists} is an abstract model that only appears in your attempted mathematical model. There is no such thing in reality. The Christian God was the first thing to exist, never "not-existed", and created everything that does exist.