RE: Panpsychism is not as crazy as it sounds.
April 5, 2014 at 9:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2014 at 9:54 pm by Mudhammam.)
(April 5, 2014 at 8:56 pm)whateverist Wrote: In as much as living things put themselves together in part from non-living things, you could say everything has the potential for consciousness by virtue of its ability to constitute a living organism.Doesn't that suggest something like a fundamental psychophysical that our current understanding of physical laws don't account for?
Quote:But then I think we have a level problem. In a multi-cell creature such as ourselves, the consciousness we experience seems to exist at the level of organs, not on a cellular level.But individual cells, granted they're not conscious in any way our consciousness is like, organized together as a fuctioning organ, have an experiential quality, a felt quality, a conscious awareness such as our own. At one point does this experiential quality become "realized" by the system? What about a system like a roundworm that has 302 neurons? Probably not at that level. So it's some arbitrary number and then somehow (seems very magical), consciousness emerges? Like I said, seems suggestive of some fundamental law that modern physics hasn't discovered.
Quote: How cells give up their independence to play a role in a collective of cells is nothing I know anything about. I do believe consciousness is fragmentary but I don't believe it derives from the suppressed consciousness of each cell. Do you?It's hard to imagine that's the case, admittedly.
Quote:There is a sense in which our being conscious and self-aware is at the same time consciousness of the cosmos itself. What else is there to be aware of except that which exists? But I don't imagine any mega-multi-cellular creature that exists in relation to us as the individual cells of our bodies exist to us. Do you?Again, it's difficult to imagine but what other emergent qualities such as consciousness aren't? Known physical laws seem to leave any room for it.


