WLC free will and omniscience

[MindForgedManacle]

Still total nonsense MF.

1. I don't "accept" that God is timeless, I err on that explanation. Please try to be accurate.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "accept" as used here. If someone says they accept something in this way, it clearly means they "believe it to be true". You saying you "err on that explanation" is a distinction without a difference, especially since I haven't said you have certainty about that belief.

2. Yes you are absolutely trying to conflate two very different states and coming up with the wrong answer.

God created this world and is atemporal. He is not separated from it as we (temporal creatures) are separated from the atemporal realm. He manages this realm 'from' his.

You're saying that because he knows it, that must make a difference to us... which is bullshit. It absolutely doesn't. I don't know if this is strict determinism, but if it is, it's abject nonsense.

You apparently cannot follow a simple chain of reasoning. If God KNOWS the future of our realm - which you claimed - then the future of our realm is an existent state of affairs. If God knows the future states of affairs of our realm, then there is a fact of the matter about how things will be in the future, which includes what decisions we make. This is because God, on your belief that you "err on", knows what will happen, and knowledge is defined as a "justified true belief". Hence, what God knows of the future is then true by definition, otherwise he didn't know it. Given there is a fact of how the future will be beforehand, that entails determinism in your belief system.

This has NOTHING to do with "making a difference to us" in terms of how we feel about things, rather it demonstrates that you cannot hold to libertarian free will because of the beliefs about God that you "err on".

4. You said my position was that God exists. I make no such claim. Again, accuracy needed.

I said your position was something that you "believe to be true". I have been very accurate.

Free agency exists because outside of time the future can be known (no need to call that 'God'). That has no bearing WITHIN a temporal realm.

...YES it does. If the future of the TEMPORAL REALM (which is the only sensible place "future" can have meaning) can be definitively known, that entails determinism and the impossibility of libertarian free will or "free agency" as you put it.

If we all knew the future, then determinism would be true. If we don't, then determinism is the bullshit it smells like.

And yet God knows it. It makes ZERO difference if God is "in" time or not. He knows the future of our realm, including what exactly we will do, which is an impossibility if there was libertarian free will. This is essentially universally recognized by philosophers.