(April 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:(April 4, 2014 at 11:00 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Is it possible Rev doesn't understand he's making a presuppositional knowledge claim requiring a lot more steps than <something can't come from nothing> :. <God exists>?
It's a semantic game cosmological argument proponents like to play. Within that "simple" belief:
<God exists>
<Everything has a cause>
<Except God, because:>
<God is my specific religion's god with attributes A-Z>
Including:
<God is eternal>
<God is Omnipotent>
<God is Omniscient>
Is the belief being substituted for "we don't know if the universe was caused or what caused it," and because of cultural awareness of the concept of these beliefs, <God must have done it> seems like a "simple" explanation.
When in fact, it relies on a ton of unstated premises with zero support, that can be backdoored into any ontological argument by a special pleading clause like "begins to exist" without believers batting an eyelash. They already accept <God exists> so to them it's a "common sense" conclusion.
There is a hymn that goes, "This is how I know He lives, He lives within my heart"
(April 8, 2014 at 9:25 am)Tonus Wrote: So you're here to tell us that it's god that knows everything. If that's the case, see if you can get him address us. That would definitely separate you from all of the other webevangelists.
He has chosen to choose his disciples to get the message out.
(April 8, 2014 at 12:50 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: One does not combat that which he opposed by ignoring it.
Like I said, if you want to believe in whatever it is that you believe then that's a-ok. I've got nothing against people holding beliefs.
It's when people start touting their beliefs as truth and, moreover, start using an imagined divine authority as a reason for the behaviors (eg "I am honored to be a messenger of the almighty!") that I take a stand, because beliefs like that tend to be dangerous to everyone who doesn't espouse them. They also tend to try and impose on the (non)beliefs of others, especially the young, the poor, and the gullible.
So no, sorry, I won't be ignoring your posts, but outright lambasting them and objecting to them every step of The way.
OK, I hear ya. I understand you don't believe as I do. I am just sharing with you what I believe.
(April 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Good for you - you think you've found a drug that works for you and gets you through the day without having to be faced with the realities of eking out an insignificantly brief existence on a ball of rock and iron locked in the embrace of a titanic fusion reactor held together by its own gravity, all the while hurtling through permanent night in the arse end of nowhere towards nothing. And maybe it does.
Doesn't entitle you to push that drug onto anyone else, though. Most especially when we've said "no thanks". If there's such a thing as mind-rape, your behaviour would be the first citation in the definition.
Thank you for your feedback. I don't want anyone to take anything by force. Your version of our existence is not comforting to me, but that is just my take.
Thank you for the reply, but none of that actually responded to anything I or the other forumers posted.
