Why It Is Not Too Late To Repent And Turn To Christ

[Godlesspanther]

Let me give you a little friendly advice.

If you're planning on using material from Answers in Genesis, The Institute for Creation Research and the like, as many evolution detractors do, there's a few things you should be aware of.

1. We've seen all of it, and to put it lightly: they are unconvincing.

2. If you use said material without a decent understanding of what the mainstream scientific consensus actually is regarding evolution, you're going to end up looking foolish in the eyes of those you'd seek to convince.

3. Educate yourself on the recent evidence gathered through DNA sequencing, particularly the implications of endogenous retrovirus insertions in DNA. This is some of the most compelling evidence for common ancestry, and I guarantee it will come up.

Thank you for your advice but I will need to use resources.

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Yeah, it's only a problem for those that insist on reading Genesis literally. Why they insist on doing so is a mystery to me. So much of Genesis reads as ancient mythology and just-so storytelling.

I recommend you go watch the movie, "God Is Not Dead" I saw it today and it was very moving.

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I will remind you Rev, ahead of such a thread, that continuing to misrepresent what evolution is, and what the scientific body of evidence in favor of it is, would be entirely dishonest since you've been prompted to see the truth in this regard, and that starting a new thread to make more claims that you've already been corrected on will result in a very thorough debunking, not only of the claims themselves, but also of your profoundly un-christian attitude in bringing them up.

thank you for your statement

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Always having been on the outside it seems mind-boggling to me that people are really unable to see the blatant dishonesty of creationism. Every single one of the prominent creation dope-pushers is a shameless liar and obviously so.

As Aron Ra has said many time, to paraphrase, that there comes a time in a creationists' education and life experience when they are faced with the question-- "Do you want to be a creationist or do you want to be honest?"

I suspect that those who remain creationists after that point of education and knowledge just really don't care about whether something is true or false. The doctrine must come first no matter what.

Creationist are being honest.

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Yeah, it's only a problem for those that insist on reading Genesis literally. Why they insist on doing so is a mystery to me. So much of Genesis reads as ancient mythology and just-so storytelling.

Genesis is foundational

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Actually - the 7 largest xtian sects - representing over 75% of the worlds xtians - accept that evolution happened - although they disagree on the origin of initial "life". It is a relatively few sects that require the absolute belief in the inerrancy of the bible - down to Adam and Eve - and it can be shown that few of those actually believe the creation stories of the bible anyway.

Religion knows that they cannot enforce beliefs that disagree with proven reality - and the end result of trying to do so is to alienate the next generation.

The problem is that religion was the center of the culture of many of the older people of the world - regardless of which religion or sub-religion they believed in. And it is only now that the older generation of complete believers is actually dying off. Studies have already shown that a majority of the young people do not believe in creation - and even in religion itself - but put on a front to sidestep family problems - knowing that eventually that problem will go away. And these young people have no intention of following religion once they have less family problems with it.

But for most who otherwise still believe in an afterlife and a god - even if their beliefs do not accept the whole of their religion - it is largely a belief that there must be something more than just our life here on earth. There has to be a "better" place to go to afterwards. And the priests of religion are only eager to take those people's money and say whatever is needed to keep the cash cow alive.

Still - religion is waning in the educated areas of the world. Studies have shown it is heading toward extinction in several European countries - plus Australia. The problem for religion is money. While religion is still spreading among the third world countries where belief in superstition is still rampant and education is still poor - the problem is that these countries cannot support the religions monetarily. While the Xtian religions have largely survived on Western and USA money - as the aging population of believers dwindles - there is no new source for money - and that is why there are so many closed churches. Add a shortage of clergy too.

Science and education - and reality - have worked to prove that religion is a thing of the past.

I respectfully disagree. We need to go to the author of life to gain insight into His creation.

Resources: Creationist material from sources such as AIG, ICR, DI, etc. is notoriously dishonest material. We have been presented with this bullshit countless times. The lame excuses (I will not call them 'arguments') that are presented by these groups have been thoroughly debunked time and time again. The creationists continue to spew false information that has been demonstrated to be false, knowing that it has been debunked -- in other words -- they lie.

What you are planning to do is post crap from these dishonest sources that has already been debunked. We are not impressed with lies.

I watched the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye. That debate demonstrated what a sick, twisted, lying sack of shit Ham really is. I really don't think that Ham made one honest statement in the whole debate, not one.

Answers in Genesis and the other creationist lie factories all have what they call a "statement of faith" in which they declare that any information -- real world evidence -- that contradicts their magic story book will be rejected. This means that, up front, they have chosen to lie to uphold their fucked-up doctrine.

We are adults and so we do not believe in magic story books that are always right even when they are obviously wrong. That simply does not work logically and it's anything but science.

Answers in Genesis is a fascist hate cult. Ken Ham is a dangerous and destructive fascist hate cult leader.

Creationists are not honest, that has been made clear time and time again. Every debate, every court case, every creationist propaganda mill has demonstrated repeatedly that creationists are liars. They have to lie because the construct is based on a pack of lies.