(April 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Thackerie Wrote:(April 13, 2014 at 2:39 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: But all have sinned. Even before we sinned, it appears that Adam and Eve were enjoying their fellowship with the Creator.
Let's get this straight, buttercup. "Sin" is defined as a transgression against divine law. You and fellow believers, going back thousands of years, have utterly failed to establish that any such thing as divine law exists. I don't believe it does.
Therefore, I have never sinned -- not once, not ever -- and neither have you or anyone else.
On the other hand, people may commit crimes, misdemeanors, slights, and other bad acts. Ethical people make up for their bad acts on their own -- no imaginary deities needed; when possible, they make amends or reparation directly to the people affected by their bad acts. IMO, Christians who practice only substitutional atonement are NOT moral.
Where did you get that definition of sin? If you don't believe in a God, then how can you define morality? Who defines what is right or wrong?