The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

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Then stop making claims you cannot substantiate. Here, I'll illustrate the problem for you:

Me: I have a magic coin in my pocket, from Atlantis, that grants wishes.
You: Really? That's so cool! Can you substantiate that?
Me: Waaaaah! Why are you demanding proof? Can't you just take it on faith? Stop persecuting me!

See, in order to back up my claims, I would first have to show that I actually have a coin; that it is from Atlantis; and that it grants wishes. I have the burden of proving all this, and it ought to be trivial to do so.

The key difference between science and faith is that, as you acknowledge, science has the facts to back it up and can be verified independently by anyone regardless of belief. What you have, which you admit, is faith based on nothing. What was that bit about a house built on sand..?


Really? I was sure someone said that science is based on facts...

Regardless, even if there are things science can't prove - an asinine claim in itself requiring the e-word to which you seem to be allergic - wouldn't it take faith to believe them? Faith, I might add, with infinitely more justification than that blind version you've earmarked for your pet god. I thought you were all about this faith stuff?


Then it's got a far better track record than faith, which cannot answer any question whatsoever - at least honestly.

Regarding the magic coin analogy and burden of proof. An athiest believes that there is no God. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no God.

What an asshole.