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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 10:44 am
(April 16, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 15, 2014 at 5:56 pm)Chas Wrote: Too fucking bad. Boo-hoo. We make fun of your myths because they are foolish, dangerous myths.
I would feel safer with someone who fears God than someone who feels they have no accountability to anyone. Just my opinion.
Oh, go fuck yourself, you self-righteous, delusional ignoramus.
I feel safer with rational people than with you fucking insane sheep.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 11:02 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2014 at 11:03 am by SteelCurtain.)
(April 17, 2014 at 12:12 am)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 11:18 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Which one is it?
Your earlier statements
Wha?
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 11:06 am
(April 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm)Polaris Wrote: The misery of prisons does wonders for turning people to religion. Prison is a gold-mine for missionaries.
Sometimes it takes a person to get to the end of themselves or even on their deathbed to soften their heart enough to receive Christ.
That is true. Desperation and/or fear typically drive many to religion.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 11:08 am
(April 17, 2014 at 11:02 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (April 17, 2014 at 12:12 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Your earlier statements
Wha?
He doesn't realize he's said two things that are in direct contradiction. Given the usual amount of effort Rev puts into his posts, I'm not really surprised. 
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You are right, science is not based on faith but on facts. Christianity is based on faith. That is why it is a bit silly to keep insisting that Christian provides facts in order for you to believe.
Then stop making claims you cannot substantiate. Here, I'll illustrate the problem for you:
Me: I have a magic coin in my pocket, from Atlantis, that grants wishes.
You: Really? That's so cool! Can you substantiate that?
Me: Waaaaah! Why are you demanding proof? Can't you just take it on faith? Stop persecuting me!
See, in order to back up my claims, I would first have to show that I actually have a coin; that it is from Atlantis; and that it grants wishes. I have the burden of proving all this, and it ought to be trivial to do so.
The key difference between science and faith is that, as you acknowledge, science has the facts to back it up and can be verified independently by anyone regardless of belief. What you have, which you admit, is faith based on nothing. What was that bit about a house built on sand..?
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You do not have faith there is a God, I do. I believe what science has to say except for the things it just can't prove.
Really? I was sure someone said that science is based on facts...
Regardless, even if there are things science can't prove - an asinine claim in itself requiring the e-word to which you seem to be allergic - wouldn't it take faith to believe them? Faith, I might add, with infinitely more justification than that blind version you've earmarked for your pet god. I thought you were all about this faith stuff?
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Like I said before, science can not answer every question.
Then it's got a far better track record than faith, which cannot answer any question whatsoever - at least honestly.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 12:37 pm
Quote:I pray God shows you mercy especially in the day you will need to give an account of all your words and actions.
That's how you get through life isn't it, asshole? Envisioning the day when your magical, mystical, sky-daddy will smack down everyone who ever thought you were a dickhead.
Well..... he's as phony as a $3 bill so I'm not worrying about it and you can whack off to visions of souls being tormented in hell for eternity all you like. Use vaseline.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm by Foxaèr.)
(April 16, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I don't follow your line of reasoning.
No surprise there. Theists only seem capable of following their own ill reason.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 1:27 pm
(April 17, 2014 at 12:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You are right, science is not based on faith but on facts. Christianity is based on faith. That is why it is a bit silly to keep insisting that Christian provides facts in order for you to believe.
Then stop making claims you cannot substantiate. Here, I'll illustrate the problem for you:
Me: I have a magic coin in my pocket, from Atlantis, that grants wishes.
You: Really? That's so cool! Can you substantiate that?
Me: Waaaaah! Why are you demanding proof? Can't you just take it on faith? Stop persecuting me!
See, in order to back up my claims, I would first have to show that I actually have a coin; that it is from Atlantis; and that it grants wishes. I have the burden of proving all this, and it ought to be trivial to do so.
The key difference between science and faith is that, as you acknowledge, science has the facts to back it up and can be verified independently by anyone regardless of belief. What you have, which you admit, is faith based on nothing. What was that bit about a house built on sand..?
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You do not have faith there is a God, I do. I believe what science has to say except for the things it just can't prove.
Really? I was sure someone said that science is based on facts...
Regardless, even if there are things science can't prove - an asinine claim in itself requiring the e-word to which you seem to be allergic - wouldn't it take faith to believe them? Faith, I might add, with infinitely more justification than that blind version you've earmarked for your pet god. I thought you were all about this faith stuff?
(April 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Like I said before, science can not answer every question.
Then it's got a far better track record than faith, which cannot answer any question whatsoever - at least honestly.
Regarding the magic coin analogy and burden of proof. An athiest believes that there is no God. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no God.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 1:32 pm
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(April 17, 2014 at 1:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: An athiest believes that there is no God. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no God.
For the million and oneth time, that is not how the Burden of Proof operates.
If there is already clearly no evidence that something exists, it is illogical to make the claim that one must prove it does not exist.
Atheist: Santa Clause is not real.
Theist: Prove Santa Clause is not real.
See how really stupid that is?
The Burden of Proof is on the theist who claims that something exists when there is no clear evidence of its existence.
Theist: Santa Clause is real.
Atheist: Prove that Santa Clause is real.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
April 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm
(April 17, 2014 at 1:27 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: An athiest believes that there is no God. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no God.
A Christian believes that there is no Zeus. Ok, the burden of proof is now on you. Prove to me there is no Zeus.
See the fallacy in that line of thinking?
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